It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[MelodyCrystel]

That argument makes no sense. Real life does not correlate with the game on 1 to 1 basis. You don't see people walking in their underwear/swimsuits in a city in real life. So if you have the courage to walk in the middle of city with your underwear/swimsuit on you deserve to ask for the people to not ask for this feature.



Why does everyone ignore the point that it's entirely optional? If I turn off battle animations the game looks bad. It's worse than a mismatched outfit, but noone has a problem with the feature existing? Why does having the option to turn off glamour rile people so much?

A) The RL-argument HAS a point as you deal with REAL people while playing a MMO. Other characters running around as the WoL in FFXIV are no NPCs (apart from bots) but have existing persons behind them. Or do you treat other users on the forum here as if they wouldn't possess real human minds?

Plus, have you ever entered cities with some specific cultures? Or accidentally waltzed into a meeting of Punk- or Goth-fans? Ooor have you ever lightly touched what we Germans call the FKK-scene? In RL, you can also stumble about outfits that make you feel uncomfortable in case you don't share the other's likings. -.-

B) Wow, you entirely ignore what exactly I was saying. 'Yay', just don't care that I encourage people who wish for the turn-off-option as long as they don't complain about miss-matched-gear-sets. It's so much easier to solely see the criticism-aspect, no?

[SamRF]

Maybe you should get over your need to police others, because that's sounding like a real "you" issue and not a "them" issue. People can do what they like, and if you don't like it, you go somewhere else.

I hate rap music. I don't go to a rap show and tell them to tailor their expression to my taste. Why? Because I'd get punched in the face, and rightfully so. I just don't go to said show. Because I know I don't like it.

Do you seriously think it's wrong to make a remark in that situation? If my coworker refused to stop wearing creepy frog costume, I would try to ignore it. If it ends up continually bothering and distracting me, I'll go tell HR. If HR won't do anything about it, I'll just deal with it and accept the distraction. It wouldn't be an enormous issue to me, just like it shouldn't be an enormous issue for my creepy frog coworker to wear something normal.

Now if HR gave me some kind of magic glasses that I can put on that would transform my frog coworker's appearance into something normal (in my vision only), we'd all be happy.

[AHelpingPaw]

No matter how much you attempt to debate or argument the truth away, there is something you cannot hide:

-These topics only seem to pop-up whenever fragile, standard hetero-masculinity is challenged in a way or another.
And the timing of this thread is no coincidence.

You can write 300 more pages of excuses and appeals to "leaving morality and politics out of it" , but the rest of the world is not blind to the real why and how.

I do not care about this option on a personal level, by the way.
But i very much care for the hypocrisy and the not even thinly veiled bigotry that is still rampant around these communities.

You are not fooling anyone, probably not even yourselves.
So at least man/woman up to your beliefs and stick to your guns, but drop the pretense.

[Nariel]

Do you seriously think it's wrong to make a remark in that situation? If my coworker refused to stop wearing creepy frog costume, I would try to ignore it. If it ends up continually bothering and distracting me, I'll go tell HR. If HR won't do anything about it, I'll just deal with it and accept the distraction. It wouldn't be an enormous issue to me, just like it shouldn't be an enormous issue for my creepy frog coworker to wear something normal.

Now if HR gave me some kind of magic glasses that I can put on that would transform my frog coworker's appearance into something normal (in my vision only), we'd all be happy.

Except its a video game not an actual job requiring serious behavior. Your feel distracted by people having fun in a video game over what makes it so special and joyfull, the diversity. If y'all want that bland NPC lookalike world, you came to the wrong neighborhood.

[Lauront]

What makes the game special and joyful differs by person... an expression of that diversity.

[Gula]

No matter how much you attempt to debate or argument the truth away, there is something you cannot hide:

-These topics only seem to pop-up whenever fragile, standard hetero-masculinity is challenged in a way or another.
And the timing of this thread is no coincidence.

You can write 300 more pages of excuses and appeals to "leaving morality and politics out of it" , but the rest of the world is not blind to the real why and how.

I do not care about this option on a personal level, by the way.
But i very much care for the hypocrisy and the not even thinly veiled bigotry that is still rampant around these communities.

You are not fooling anyone, probably not even yourselves.
So at least man/woman up to your beliefs and stick to your guns, but drop the pretense.

The last time I saw someone be direct on these forums their posts got deleted and the user banned. My responses to them included.

The hammer of the fragile is stronger than Garlean Steel.

[Lauront]

but the rest of the world is not blind to the real why and how.

And let me guess... you think that the "rest of the world" is Twitter.

[Ivellior]

There are a lot of sticky things to consider when looking at a request for this kind of "option" from the corporate/business angle. One of them is ethics. I know that sounds like it is taking a video game "too seriously" but I am talking for the time being about the business angle of a product (which I assure you, SE takes their product seriously). It is a sticky, possibly ethically questionable, place for a company to put itself to adopt a function that could be seen as endorsing bigotry. Now, before you get all up in arms that I am calling anyone here a bigot for wanting an option, keep reading, because I am most specifically not. What I am pointing out that the code of ethics of many firms/company usually worded against unethical behavior or even behavior that has the appearance of being unethical; it isn't shady but it looks shady, so it is a violation. (/business stuff)

First of all this feature farfetched from being seen that it endorses bigotry. It isn't shady and it doesn't look shady. People claim its shady because it fits their purpose. You practically need to be an olympic champion in mental gymanstics to claim that this feature endorses bigotry. However you still mention this...

Secondly using that very same logic: Since children also play the game, allowing them to see men in dresses is even more 10 times more questionable than a feature that might potientially be seen as endorsing bigotry. Yet I don't see noone claiming that in the gender lock threads.

Argument points of saying it is for immersion: not having an option to filter glamours (mind you, the requested option was for a discrete filter: a filter that can be applied per player) is immersive. Again, NOT having the option is more immersive. It is the game as the developers present it is how you maintain immersion. The counter argument to this is that NOT having glamours is also more immersive. But that is almost a separate conversation/argument.

That is factually incorrect. The OP doesn't say he wants this per character. He asks for an option to turn off glamours because it's breaking his immersion. You might find it immersive to see someone in toad/chocobo suit killing the ultima weapon, but a lot of people don't. Also that doesn't stop you from wearing these cloathes normally and running around in a town in a chocobo/toad suit. You just can't do it inside a dungeon/raid where you are fighting with your life against a powerful enemy.

Argument points of saying there are "no reason to not have the option" are false, reasons have been stated and restated, not accepting an argument because it does not agree with your values does not make it invalid. By that token, it could be argued that there is no good reason to implement a filter option. However, I accept that it is genuinely distressing to see some glamours, it's a personally valid argument because it is factual. I do not think it outweighs the cons of implementing the option. The option to "blur" other players? Ok, no, time to play a single player game...

I haven't seen anyone providing a legitime reason besides it takes dev time/resources that can be viewed as con. It's literally people saying: No it's bigot or No notice me (see the above gif post). And spending dev time and resources on removing gender locking is ok but this isn't?

There are NPCs that wear costumes. The tall Fuath in Il Mheg. Adkiragh in Idyllshire. The Lalafell as a race itself are "silly" and cute even compared to Gnomes/Halflings of other games/fantasy franchises. Moogles, don't get me started!!! The silly parts of the Final Fantasy franchise is part of it. If you don't like the silliness than you are playing the wrong game. And I am saying this as a person that doesn't like the costumes (be it moogle, swine, frog, whatever... I dislike them). But I like FF, and that means growing to like the silly. There are glamours I get tired of seeing, but, it's not impacting my game play. If a game isn't supposed to be taken so seriously, why are things like this bothering people so much they want to block it? It's a game, stop taking that Hrothgar in a wedding dress so seriously.

It doesn't bother you, that's great. But it does bother other people for various reason. I especially hate colored metallic dyes. I can't complain about people using them (it's their right) but I also expect people not to complain when I ask a for feature that can optionally removing

I do use the filter to mute the battle effects for people not in my party. It is purely for the performance of my PC that could use an upgrade. I have suffered to watch many a hunt train kill a mark that wouldn't load on my screen until right before it de-spawned.

It's a good feature and a lot of people also use it because it's too straining on the eyes. It's a nice option that people who want to use it, use it and people who don't want to use it don't use it. I don't see why this feature can't be like battle effects filter.

I'm all for options (get rid of gender-locks on races AND gear, everything dyeable, viera and hrothgar hair, more variation and options in character creation, the ability to have more options on your character proportions for male and female, some decent beards and facial hair options, some damned eyebrows for highlanders, more variation in character height, an option to include a few options from other races for that "half-elf" life, the ability to glamour DPS armor onto my Tank, or Healer for that battle cleric look, optional secondary arms: like a staff for MNK... etc). There are so many other, game enriching, options that should be a priority for demand than a filter that could put SE in hot water. There is no end of people who love to talk about how modern media is rotting everyone's brains... someone is going to make an issue of it.

Why would it get them to hot water? People make issues about everything. Do you think is hard for people to start complaing that men wearing wedding dreses is distressing for children and cause trouble? How about a scene where someone looses an arm? Isn't that extreme violence. Can't people make an issue of the game having extreme violence?

I can understand people saying: I prefer to get X or Y first because I want it more than hiding glamour. It's valid request. But the arguments against this feature on this thread are either "You're a bigot" (some say it straight out, some are more diplomatic about it -like saying it could be seen as endorsing bigotry) or no "because it till hurt feelings or self expression". Both of them are literally reasons that don't stand up to logic and scrutiny.

[SamRF]

What makes the game special and joyful differs by person... an expression of that diversity.

As the saying goes: What they see as diversity is everyone looking different but thinking the same way.

Diversity should also include acceptance of different opinions and mindsets, which is perhaps why me and other pro choice people here aren't throwing around words like "bigot".

[Theodric]

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Please stop with the defamatory comments and false accusations. Not only because it's against the rules but because it's a pretty abhorrent thing to do over someone not liking your character's design or chosen glamour.