Can we please delay Savage?

[SinisterJoints]

I mean, this literally applies to your argument as well.

Yet, it literally doesn't. By delaying savage you are taking away my choice to do savage week 1. Tell me what choice are you denied by not delaying it?

I explained it in my first post a couple pages back. My only choice then is to do the story and fall behind the first wave raiders, or don't do the story for awhile. So in that sense, yes SE is forcing that choice. If I choose to play FFXIV as a raider who enjoys story those are my two choices.

What are you falling behind on? Tell me what you actually need from savage to progress anything except savage? Who is making you do anything other than what you want to do by releasing it?

Do you have a static? Yes? Ok then either join like-minded people or live with YOUR choice.

I raid and have no problems doing story, crafting, gathering, the trial and beastribes when I feel like it. I raid with likeminded people and we do the story, progression etc at our own pace. The only way I feel rushed is when I am pushing to get something done (like gettina crafters/gathers 70-80 day 1 on expansion) Those things are MY choices.

This whole -- I have no choices if its released on week one is silly. You are doing it to yourself....

That wouldn't have "delayed everything" - far from it. You would have still had plenty to choose from, and people like myself and others that want a delay would have had what they wanted too. Win-win.

but it wouldn't have been what I wanted. I would have been pigeonholed to do things in the order YOU want too. Releasing it all at the same time allows people to CHOOSE. Not a win-win for me (or others that dont want it)

and I dont need to go strawman, you guys are doing that all by yourselves... less options is more choice. Gotcha

oh and its your choice to go for week 1 clears, so live with it. I will continue to enjoy all the content at my leisure

I enjoy raiding and I also enjoy the story and lore from normal mode. I shouldn't have to sacrifice my enjoyment of the story when the developers can easily delay the second and third Savage tier release like they literally do for the first tier of every expansion. This is not an unheard of thing. It's something that is already done for one tier and not the others.

It's all about time.

The story for eden isn't even tied to MSQ, what exactly are you sacrificing that you aren't choosing too? You do know that you can do one and not have to rush the other right? Doing Eden will not suddenly reveal all the msq...or any of it. The only thing I see here is some self delusion that you have to do it all in a day or week or else you fail? Game over? Character Deletion? Hardcore mode? The only way it would get spoiled is if you LITERALLY DO IT YOURSELF lolol

and yes... its all about time. and YOU control YOUR time, not mine. Spend yours how you want.

Yeah, this thread has devolved further into the situation that I was talking about/alluding to earlier.

I get why people are asking for the delay, and I'm mostly on board with it because I want everyone to have the chance to play the story without rushing through it. That said, a lot of you guys are doing your best to ignore the fact that you're asking other people to wait an extra week just so that you can have everything just how you want it.

We all currently have the option to pick and choose what content we want to prioritize. Under that system we really should be able to decide what is most important to us and be happy with our choices. So asking everyone else to wait because you want to have it all and then dismissing their responses isn't going to get you a lot of goodwill.

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[RenAshdoll]

Hmm... I am for 1-2 week delay for raids every raid patch. While I am not going to raid Edenverse this time due to RL commitments (once I start I can't stop + I am a pugger), I am still the crafter for my old group and rushing to get stuff out in day 1 + raid can get really busy... and you still have to do ur roulettes to top up tomes for pots.

[Valorak]

Yeah, this thread has devolved further into the situation that I was talking about/alluding to earlier.

I get why people are asking for the delay, and I'm mostly on board with it because I want everyone to have the chance to play the story without rushing through it. That said, a lot of you guys are doing your best to ignore the fact that you're asking other people to wait an extra week just so that you can have everything just how you want it.

We all currently have the option to pick and choose what content we want to prioritize. Under that system we really should be able to decide what is most important to us and be happy with our choices. So asking everyone else to wait because you want to have it all and then dismissing their responses isn't going to get you a lot of goodwill.

[Sebazy]

You don't have to. Noone is forcing you. If you still do it then it's because you WANT to (and I still don't even know why).

The rest of our groups are forcing us.

The opposition to this suggestion is just mind boggling, especially since it seems to be coming from people who have zero interest in even taking part in the content in question until weeks, if not months down the line.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The rest of our groups are forcing us.

Yeah. That's why I too started smoking in school... not. Giving in to peer pressure is your argument now?

The opposition to this suggestion is just mind boggling, especially since it seems to be coming from people who have zero interest in even taking part in the content in question until weeks, if not months down the line.

We're taking part in the content, also on week 1. We're just not forcing us to clear it on the same week it is released.

[NanaWiloh]

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them. Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?



How are we supposed to plan it when the recipes to craft the current 480 gear don't come out until launch day? How are we supposed to plan it in advance when SE doesn't even give us the date patch will drop until it is too late to request off at our actual jobs? Mid-February is not a date, it's an approximation. I've noticed my questions still haven't been answered.

If you have set raid nights you arrange those nights too be free for two weeks with family and friends. Most people raid in the evening so thats what you would be freeing up. As for gear well thats going to roadblock you no matter you delay savage you delay the gear. Which means scambling on patch day to get any gear you need, its double a edge sword. Want to delay for story go for it but you will still have the gear roadblock to deal with.

[Barraind]

I love how your entire argument is implying there's a discrepancy in determination to do this content. World First raiders are asking for this delay.

The argument used by those world first raiders you mention is "I dont want to have to make this a priority, so please re-design your launch schedule so I dont have to".

Asking for a week or two of time to prep when other groups and people who also do that content, or have done that content, are saying "you dont need to do this, its fine" is quite literally showcasing a difference in determination in black and white.

[Sebazy]

Yeah. That's why I too started smoking in school... not. Giving in to peer pressure is your argument now?

What's peer pressure got to do with anything? I want to raid and I've progged with the same core group since Midas. The bottom line is that I get home from work and I have to skip my way through a ton of great storyline to make sure I'm not holding my group up. Just because I raid doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy the storyline too. And yeah, in my eyes, forcing people to wait whilst I watch cutscenes isn't really acceptable even if they probably wouldn't be that bothered about it. That's just not how I roll.

The argument used by those world first raiders you mention is "I dont want to have to make this a priority, so please re-design your launch schedule so I dont have to".

Please cite your sources.

Or shall I go ask my FC for them?

The angles I see are: I want to be able to do the story, I want a more consistent window to book the time off work.

If you think world first raiders are suggesting that they don't want to put the effort in, then you don't know world first raiders.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

What's peer pressure got to do with anything?

Well:

The rest of our groups are forcing us.

I have to skip my way through a ton of great storyline to make sure I'm not holding my group up.

forcing people to wait whilst I watch cutscenes isn't really acceptable

Pretty much this. Especially the last part where you're actually feeling guilty about something you would otherwise enjoy (and have every right to) and deny yourself to it just to please your group.
That's pretty much the definition of peer pressure.

[HyoMinPark]

Yet, it literally doesn't. By delaying savage you are taking away my choice to do savage week 1. Tell me what choice are you denied by not delaying it?

Except it does. Your “choice” is to not have it delayed because of this ”I Want It Now” mentality. My “choice” is to have it delayed so that I can fit in both of the things I like (story and Week 1 progression) into my schedule alongside work. I work full-time in the mornings/afternoons. I raid in the evenings. Day 1 of this patch, I was at work all day (because some of us can’t just request days off with only two weeks warning, since the Patch wasn’t officially announced to drop on the 18th until the second part of the PLL—it was only guessed that would be the release date), and I came home, had to rush through normal mode, and then joined my static for raid. I wasn’t the only one who had to do this either, because again: some of us can’t just request off willy-nilly.

Your “choice” effectively denies my “choice”. Hence, your point is defeating your own argument. You can spin what you’re using against me right back on yourself.

Btw, “Week 1 Savage” would still be Week 1. The Savage weeks start the week it drops.

but it wouldn't have been what I wanted. I would have been pigeonholed to do things in the order YOU want too. Releasing it all at the same time allows people to CHOOSE. Not a win-win for me (or others that dont want it)

And now you’ve pigeon-holed me into doing things so that YOU can have what you want. I suppose that’s somehow more fair? Because that’s certainly what it seems you’re arguing—as long as you get what you want, right?

Try as you might, you’re doing to me what you’re getting so uppity about me proposing be done to you. And, honestly, unless you’re a Savage raider, the delay barely affects you. Crafters aren’t affected because they will still get their Day 1 crafting in, as I explained before.

and I dont need to go strawman, you guys are doing that all by yourselves... less options is more choice. Gotcha

You’re the one who jumped to “WHAT IF THEY DELAYED EVERYTHING”. No one else here is really strawmaning. You are being hyperbolic though.

I never said “less is more choice”. I said that you would still have choices on things to do—since your entire argument was “THEY WOULD DELAY EVERYTHING BUT THE MSQ AND I WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO HAVE CHOICES!!!”. Not if they did something like I suggested, with MSQ, Normal Mode raids, Ruby Weapon normal, and Ruby EX all dropping together, and then Savage + new gear coming out a week later. That’s 4 different things that you could choose to do—not the one you were hyperbolizing about.

oh and its your choice to go for week 1 clears, so live with it. I will continue to enjoy all the content at my leisure

Great! You’re enjoying content at your own leisure, so a one-week delay of Savage shouldn’t negatively affect you at all! You know, since you don’t care about actually getting in there right away or anything.

I wonder if you get this upset when they delay the first Savage tier and crafted gear by two weeks at the start of an expansion, or if this is just a thing you’re selectively upset about.

The story for eden isn't even tied to MSQ, what exactly are you sacrificing that you aren't choosing too? You do know that you can do one and not have to rush the other right? Doing Eden will not suddenly reveal all the msq...or any of it. The only thing I see here is some self delusion that you have to do it all in a day or week or else you fail? Game over? Character Deletion? Hardcore mode? The only way it would get spoiled is if you LITERALLY DO IT YOURSELF lolol

I’m talking about the Normal Mode story. Not the 5.2 MSQ. Normal mode is story mode. Clearly, you misunderstood what I was talking about.

“Self-delusion that I must have it all”? Uh, I’m literally asking for the week delay so that I can do something like this:

Patch 5.2 drop: work > come home and do Eden Normal mode. Enjoy the story from the normal mode raid, not the Main Scenario without having to bum-rush it to make raid nights. Maybe do some Ruby Weapon EX for the weapon. Do some of the patch story (the actual MSQ, not the story from normal mode—since you seem to have confused those earlier). I would have had a week to relax and enjoy this content at my own leisure. Since that’s so important to you, perhaps you can understand how it’s also important to me.

Patch 5.21 drop: Jump into Savage without having to miss out on the story from the normal mode. Beforehand get all my crafted gear done as well, because it would come out that day as well, more than likely.

No idea where you’re getting all this character deletion/game over crap. Again with the hyperbolizing. It’s impossible to actually have a decent discussion on this forum without people overly exaggeration crap.

and yes... its all about time. and YOU control YOUR time, not mine. Spend yours how you want.

Actually, my employer controls a lot of my time, so...

Not all of us get to just sit at home all day. I have no idea if you actually do that or not, but you sure are acting as if people who work or go to school have a bunch of free time on their hands.