Can we please delay Savage?

[ForteNightshade]

While I know this only effects a small portion of the raid community, it is nonetheless extremely frustrating for many who are either attempting to clear Savage week one or even midcore groups who have Tuesday evening raid schedules with members unable to take time off work or school.

Speaking from my own experiences. As a crafter for my team, I essentially stayed up with the patch, spent all day crafting and rushed through Normal mode, skipping every cut scene along the way—something I prefer not to do. Alas, I simply didn't have the time to get everything done before raid. Several members of the team were in similar positions due to work. A good friend of mine never skips anything but this tier she had to.

Now I know some will argue either not to raid on Tuesday, postpone it or what have you. However, that missing the point. For anyone pursuing a week one kill, losing an entire day simply isn't an option. You want all the time possible for prog as it takes time to learn everything.

Even for groups not aspiring for week one. A new patch brings excitement for raid content. Say six members want to jump into Savage while two are more interested in the story. Who do you disappoint assuming no one can take time off work? Either you delay raid, thus upsetting the people eager to jump into it. Or you tell everyone to skip and whoever wants to watch cut scenes better have an alt.

All of this could easily be avoided with a one week delay for Savage, which has been requested multiple times now. I see no reason why both Normal and Savage have to be released together when they aren't at the beginning of the expansion.

Just something I wanted to get off my chest, especially with it once again being talked about apparently in a recent interview.

[van_arn]

If you want to be part of the first wave, make time for the first wave.

Delaying Savage would only postpone first wave problems.

If you can't make the time due to other commitments, then continue to take things at your own pace. You've already made the decision to play at your own pace, so it doesn't particularly matter to you if savage releases today or tomorrow or next month.

Others, however, want to dive into it as soon as they possibly can, even if that means skipping the story to set foot in there first.

Both playstayles are perfectly fine. Find a static that supports your chosen playstyle, whether that choice is yours or your situation.

[HyoMinPark]

I agree with this suggestion.

I recently graduated from college and immediately started working because student loans aren’t going to pay themselves. I want to continue to make time for raid in the evenings, but I cannot request days off for Week 1 to get things like my crafting and normal mode done. This tier, I was at work all day and then had to skip everything to make my static’s schedule. A lot of us had to, because the developers don’t want to delay the x.2 and x.4 patch tiers by a week.

Inb4 someone says “Just delay your raid schedule”: that was not an option for us because we wanted to aim for a Week 1 clear. Delaying it so that we can do normal mode or whatever are up raid time, and all of us work/go to school, and chose hours based on when we were available. Only two or three of us were able to get the time off on Patch Day to get all the crafting done.

I’m a huge fan of the delay between the first tier of normal mode and Savage; and would like to see a similar delay for the second and third tiers. A week is more than enough.

If you want to be part of the first wave, make time for the first wave.

Delaying Savage would only postpone first wave problems by a week.

Not really. Not the “problems” that are being listed in the opening post.

Postponing Savage to release a week after the x.2 and x.4 patches means that raiders can spend the week before prepping things like crafted gear, food, pots, etc. Those who want to enjoy the normal mode story have the opportunity to do so at a more leisurely pace—this is especially important for those of us who have jobs or who go to school.

An edit to respond to an edit:

If you can't make the time due to other commitments, then continue to take things at your own pace. You've already made the decision to play at your own pace, so it doesn't particularly matter to you if savage releases today or tomorrow or next month.

This tells me that you don’t actually understand the reasons why players ask for a delay. This is not necessarily a pacing thing—it’s literally people wanting to enjoy both raiding and the story without having to give up one or the other. Again, this isn’t a problem during the first tier. Why does it have to be one for the second and the third?

Others, however, want to dive into it as soon as they possibly can, even if that means skipping the story to set foot in there first.

It doesn’t have to mean skipping the story, though.

Both playstayles are perfectly fine. Find a static that supports your chosen playstyle, whether that choice is yours or your situation.

This tells me you don’t understand the problem at all, and it comes off as something disingenuous, as if you’re trying to skew the opposing argument and what the problem really is.

This isn’t necessarily an issue with a static. It’s an issue with time—and an issue that doesn’t even exist for the first tier, but that is forced upon the second and third tiers. The developers have actively considered this request when they heard raiders would prefer it. I even heard it was planned for this tier—however, for some unknown reason, they decided to not delay.

This is something that doesn’t have to be the way it is now. And it hurts no one to delay Savage a week.

[ForteNightshade]

If you want to be part of the first wave, make time for the first wave.

Delaying Savage would only postpone first wave problems by a week.

How does that make sense? If Savage were released a week later, people would have time to do the story should they choose, craft and essentially get preparation done without having to rush everything. Those "first wave problems," as you put it, only exist because the second and third Savage tiers come out alongside Normal mode. They don't with the first tier, which is why many raiders have been requesting this delay.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

How does that make sense? If Savage were released a week later, people would have time to do the story should they choose, craft and essentially get preparation done without having to rush everything. Those "first wave problems," as you put it, only exist because the second and third Savage tiers come out alongside Normal mode. They don't with the first tier, which is why many raiders have been requesting this delay.

Why not use the first week to gear up and do story, then go broke in savage the next week then? Essentially the same thing as pushing Savage back a week. Unless you just want "first week clears", but then, why not do those at minimum, gearing up while you can throughout the week? No need to rush things if you aren't going for world first afterall.

[van_arn]

Why not use the first week to gear up and do story, then go broke in savage the next week then? Essentially the same thing as pushing Savage back a week. Unless you just want "first week clears", but then, why not do those at minimum, gearing up while you can throughout the week? No need to rush things if you aren't going for world first afterall.

This one gets it.

Take your time if you'd prefer or are obligated to. But don't penalize the people that have made the time to make it happen.

First wave means first wave. If you breathe a word about commitments outside of the game, you're not in the running for first wave; those people have already settled those commitments the day the date was announced.

[HyoMinPark]

Why not use the first week to gear up and do story, then go broke in savage the next week then? Essentially the same thing as pushing Savage back a week. Unless you just want "first week clears", but then, why not do those at minimum, gearing up while you can throughout the week? No need to rush things if you aren't going for world first afterall.

Groups going for Week 1/Week 2 kills need crafted gear for at least the fourth fight—sometimes the third, depending. My goals now are Week 1/Week 2 kills because that’s when the content is at its most challenging. So I don’t see why Savage can’t just be released a week after the main patch. They seem to have no issue doing that for the first tier—so people can enjoy the story. What’s the problem with just doing it for every tier?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Groups going for Week 1/Week 2 kills need crafted gear for at least the fourth fight—sometimes the third, depending. My goals now are Week 1/Week 2 kills because that’s when the content is at its most challenging. So I don’t see why Savage can’t just be released a week after the main patch. They seem to have no issue doing that for the first tier—so people can enjoy the story. What’s the problem with just doing it for every tier?

But by week 2, you can have 1-2 tome pieces on top of crafted gear. That weakens the difficulty no? Plus, in terms of the delayed weeks during expansion launches, the capped tome gear is also delayed, so you'd have to delay that too. Plus, isn't the crafted gear thats required for Savage for expansion launches also delayed until that 2nd week?

[AnimaAnimus]

I stopped doing savage after Sephirot. Because it is especially bad if you do not have time to keep a static together, which is harder in this game than any other I've played.
Which I am convinced is a byproduct of how little we need to interact thanks to all the pugging tools at our disposal.
And if you do not pug a piece of content in the first, maybe 5 days, after its release the chance of getting the win alone, much less any drops feels like it halves by the day.
Due to their not being any fresh to the fight pugs and the few that are, are generally just the worst of the worst for some reason.
You also have more people looking for carries and more jumping out after 1 wipe.
Even today while getting clears on an alt doing just normal mode, we had the bane of those who wish to be carried.

It sucks that you need to make the choice between enjoying the lore and the story and all the new content or getting an extreme win without wanting to firmly punt your teammates in the rear.

I would love them to go back to delaying savage by 2 to 3 weeks after a piece of content is released. So you have my support.

[Penthea]

My group just accepted the fact that we wouldn't be ready week 1 due to people having jobs/college preventing them from devoting the first day to being able to unlock everything on time for the raid as well as have everything crafted by that point.

But we're not anywhere close to being a competitive team so that didn't really bother us.