Can we please delay Savage?

[Sebazy]

Yeah. That's why I too started smoking in school... not. Giving in to peer pressure is your argument now?

What's peer pressure got to do with anything? I want to raid and I've progged with the same core group since Midas. The bottom line is that I get home from work and I have to skip my way through a ton of great storyline to make sure I'm not holding my group up. Just because I raid doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy the storyline too. And yeah, in my eyes, forcing people to wait whilst I watch cutscenes isn't really acceptable even if they probably wouldn't be that bothered about it. That's just not how I roll.

The argument used by those world first raiders you mention is "I dont want to have to make this a priority, so please re-design your launch schedule so I dont have to".

Please cite your sources.

Or shall I go ask my FC for them?

The angles I see are: I want to be able to do the story, I want a more consistent window to book the time off work.

If you think world first raiders are suggesting that they don't want to put the effort in, then you don't know world first raiders.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

What's peer pressure got to do with anything?

Well:

The rest of our groups are forcing us.

I have to skip my way through a ton of great storyline to make sure I'm not holding my group up.

forcing people to wait whilst I watch cutscenes isn't really acceptable

Pretty much this. Especially the last part where you're actually feeling guilty about something you would otherwise enjoy (and have every right to) and deny yourself to it just to please your group.
That's pretty much the definition of peer pressure.

[Sebazy]

Well:

Pretty much this.

The pressure is every bit as much self inflicted as it is from the rest group, comparing it to smoking because of friends is just reaching. But then your entire contribution to this thread is little more than negativity against this subject for any given reason you can get your mits on despite the fact that it wouldn't even affect you in the slightest.

Truly sad. But go carry on as you will.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

despite the fact that it wouldn't even affect you in the slightest.

That's not true at all. I had two great raiding-evenings this week I wouldn't have had if they had Savage postponed one week.

[Sebazy]

That's not true at all. I had two great raiding-evenings this week I wouldn't have had when Savage was postponed one week.

Psst, Ruby weapon isn't Savage.

But carry on as you will.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Psst, Ruby weapon isn't Savage.

But carry on as you will.

I see. Just because there aren't any FFlogs (because we haven't killed Ramuh yet in the ~4 Hours we spend there blind), it seems like it doesn't count in your eyes. Nice. Truely Elite.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I see. Just because there aren't any FFlogs (because we haven't killed Ramuh yet in the ~4 Hours we spend there blind), it seems like it doesn't count in your eyes. Nice. Truely Elite.

My group doesn't even have logs for e5s yet, cuz they didn't exist when we cleared.

[Sebazy]

I see. Just because there aren't any FFlogs (because we haven't killed Ramuh yet), it seems like it doesn't count in your eyes. Nice. Truely Elite.

Isn't it wonderful when people reach to ridiculous ends in a shallow attempt to prove a point?

With that note, I'll drop this tangent as it's dumb and I'm tired.

Bumping this because it's a far more productive post than any of mine:

Except it does. Your “choice” is to not have it delayed because of this ”I Want It Now” mentality. My “choice” is to have it delayed so that I can fit in both of the things I like (story and Week 1 progression) into my schedule alongside work. I work full-time in the mornings/afternoons. I raid in the evenings. Day 1 of this patch, I was at work all day (because some of us can’t just request days off with only two weeks warning, since the Patch wasn’t officially announced to drop on the 18th until the second part of the PLL—it was only guessed that would be the release date), and I came home, had to rush through normal mode, and then joined my static for raid. I wasn’t the only one who had to do this either, because again: some of us can’t just request off willy-nilly.

Your “choice” effectively denies my “choice”. Hence, your point is defeating your own argument. You can spin what you’re using against me right back on yourself.

Btw, “Week 1 Savage” would still be Week 1. The Savage weeks start the week it drops.



And now you’ve pigeon-holed me into doing things so that YOU can have what you want. I suppose that’s somehow more fair? Because that’s certainly what it seems you’re arguing—as long as you get what you want, right?

Try as you might, you’re doing to me what you’re getting so uppity about me proposing be done to you. And, honestly, unless you’re a Savage raider, the delay barely affects you. Crafters aren’t affected because they will still get their Day 1 crafting in, as I explained before.



You’re the one who jumped to “WHAT IF THEY DELAYED EVERYTHING”. No one else here is really strawmaning. You are being hyperbolic though.

I never said “less is more choice”. I said that you would still have choices on things to do—since your entire argument was “THEY WOULD DELAY EVERYTHING BUT THE MSQ AND I WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO HAVE CHOICES!!!”. Not if they did something like I suggested, with MSQ, Normal Mode raids, Ruby Weapon normal, and Ruby EX all dropping together, and then Savage + new gear coming out a week later. That’s 4 different things that you could choose to do—not the one you were hyperbolizing about.



Great! You’re enjoying content at your own leisure, so a one-week delay of Savage shouldn’t negatively affect you at all! You know, since you don’t care about actually getting in there right away or anything.

I wonder if you get this upset when they delay the first Savage tier and crafted gear by two weeks at the start of an expansion, or if this is just a thing you’re selectively upset about.



I’m talking about the Normal Mode story. Not the 5.2 MSQ. Normal mode is story mode. Clearly, you misunderstood what I was talking about.

“Self-delusion that I must have it all”? Uh, I’m literally asking for the week delay so that I can do something like this:

Patch 5.2 drop: work > come home and do Eden Normal mode. Enjoy the story from the normal mode raid, not the Main Scenario without having to bum-rush it to make raid nights. Maybe do some Ruby Weapon EX for the weapon. Do some of the patch story (the actual MSQ, not the story from normal mode—since you seem to have confused those earlier). I would have had a week to relax and enjoy this content at my own leisure. Since that’s so important to you, perhaps you can understand how it’s also important to me.

Patch 5.21 drop: Jump into Savage without having to miss out on the story from the normal mode. Beforehand get all my crafted gear done as well, because it would come out that day as well, more than likely.

No idea where you’re getting all this character deletion/game over crap. Again with the hyperbolizing. It’s impossible to actually have a decent discussion on this forum without people overly exaggeration crap.



Actually, my employer controls a lot of my time, so...

Not all of us get to just sit at home all day. I have no idea if you actually do that or not, but you sure are acting as if people who work or go to school have a bunch of free time on their hands.

[Satarn]

Pretty much this. Especially the last part where you're actually feeling guilty about something you would otherwise enjoy (and have every right to) and deny yourself to it just to please your group.
That's pretty much the definition of peer pressure.

This isn't "peer pressure", it's called being considerate of other people's time and not wanting to inconvenience them, aka "not being a selfish asshole". With all the talk like "just find other like-minded people!" etc, I am seriously starting to wonder if some of the posters in this thread have any actual friends in this game at all. It's not always just about finding some convenient "NPCs" to kill content with and then dispose of once that's no longer ideal for you.

Inb4 "lol, you're being selfish by requesting this because it inconveniences me, lol" - yeah, nope. I am aware that delaying savage would not be ideal for people who just want this content asap and don't care about anything else and I have acknowledged that side in my first post. It is overall the matter of figuring out what does the majority of raiders(yes just raiders, bc srsly if you don't raid then what the heck are you even doing in this thread, it literally does not affect you in the slightest) want, hence the discussion.
Yes, some people have been rather dismissive of the "opposition", but that goes for both sides here.

Hmmm. There is an argument to say that if you’re a world first type player, you’re not really gonna care about the raid story, you’re just going to want to dive right in to savage so you’ll just skip all cut scenes anyway and then go back and do msq after you’ve cleared them all. And in this case a delay might annoy you because you’re bored and have nothing to do until the next tier comes out and your main motivation is world first clears.

Everyone else probably won’t care about a delay because they won’t be in the world first bracket, therefore for them it’s like whatever, they’ll clear at some point.

So no, because... stereotypes? You literally have an entire thread of people saying that they might not be world first raiders, but would like a delay, right here. Assuming that hard-cores can't enjoy the story is also very silly. Why do you think this thread exists - so people can ask for something they don't even want?

[Thoosa]

I said that the priority for a hardcore raider is likely to be getting into savage ASAP, so they will likely skip the raid story, because every other hardcore raider will be doing the same because world first is a race right?

A delay would be nice, but there are other perspectives l.