Can we please delay Savage?

[Enla]

I barely have a dog in this race as a member of a medium-casual static that can only meet on weekends, but frankly I wouldn't mind a delayed start. Even if only to give people more wiggle room in requesting time off should they desire to take part in the world first race. This expansion is my first foray into Savage however so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

[HyoMinPark]

I say the same to you, delaying when you start savage wont kill you either. I feel like I'm getting responses from people that feel their choices are more important than someone else's or just can't comprehend that THEIR choice shouldn't trump someone else's.

I mean, this literally applies to your argument as well. So, not sure the point you're actually trying to make here, unless it's to defeat your own argument. It's not just "my" choice - there are raiders better than me and more hardcore than me that want a delay between Savage and Normal mode. And it was something that Yoshida has mentioned considering before. People in this thread are just chiming in to offer their support for the option, and giving reasons why they think it's a good thing to do.

I think it would be nice to not have to sacrifice enjoying the story simply because I also want to aim for a Week 1 clear of the tier. A lot of the people in my static are the same way, and we all work/go to school - and can't just take time off whenever/skip class. We set our Week 1 schedule to try and maximize the time progressing while also taking into account each other's real-life obligations and schedules.

The devs constantly stress the importance of the story - and the first tier is delayed two weeks from the release of normal mode for that reason - so this isn't a far-fetched request. It's something that's already done for one of the tiers.

Whats next? Delay everything in a patch so only MSQ remains on patchday? No thanks, I like to choose when I do the content, not have it chosen for me. I've been doing a bit of everything and guess what, I don't feel rushed one bit. You know why? You guessed it, its MY choice.

Don't get too strawman-happy, now. That's not going to help you. Though, you do realize that when you do content is already being chosen for you, right? It's not like you can do whatever you want before the content drops.

Patch 5.2 could have literally been: MSQ, Verse Normal Mode, Ruby Weapon Normal, and Ruby Weapon EX. 5.21 could have been Verse Savage + Tomestone and crafted gear/food. That wouldn't have "delayed everything" - far from it. You would have still had plenty to choose from, and people like myself and others that want a delay would have had what they wanted too. Win-win.

I love crafting, why should I have to wait for that? Im a day one crafter so what you are saying is take my enjoyment away because "you feel rushed".

You'll still have Day 1 crafting - it would just release with the Savage tier a week later, but it would still be "Day 1", because the new crafted gear exists for Savage progression. None of the other content in this game needs it.

and lets be honest here, If you arent world first racing then you do NOT need to take time off work, that is such a horrible excuse

I'm not a world racer - no desire to be one - but I do like to aim for Week 1 clears. I have a job that I have to go to - I can't just request/block off entire weeks or months like some, and that's fine. I need the money.

I enjoy raiding and I also enjoy the story and lore from normal mode. I shouldn't have to sacrifice my enjoyment of the story when the developers can easily delay the second and third Savage tier release like they literally do for the first tier of every expansion. This is not an unheard of thing. It's something that is already done for one tier and not the others.

Release it all on launch and let those who are determined enough to do it first do it first, and everyone else can play catchup.

I love how your entire argument is implying there's a discrepancy in determination to do this content. World First raiders are asking for this delay. It's not just the casuals who want it, or those who don't world race but aim for Week 1 kills.

Determination has nothing to do with this request. It's all about time.

[Zabuza]

For those opposed to this, can you tell me:

What of value, exactly, are you afraid will be lost if Savage is delayed a week after patch hits?

Does it also bother you when an expansion launches and Savage is delayed two weeks? If it does not bother you in that case, why should it bother you in this case?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I only mentioned loot because it ties in with the weekly resets. But feel free to read more into my post than what I actually said.

I honestly don't want to read more into anything, I'm still just trying to grasp why you struggle that hard for a week 1 kill to find the argument to even go for it in your posts. If it's not for the loot, then the only thing you may get from a week 1 kill - if I understand it correctly - is a little prestige. You don't get an archivement, an special item or anything at all for your week 1 kill. And even that prestige in this community is nothing really to write home about, as there are still people faster and it isn't a world first kill or anything on the podium. So in the end, you are only doing it for yourself, rushing through the content and skipping through the story, propably exhausting yourself after a hard day of work just for the heck of it. For me, that doesn't sound like fun, but whatever. Maybe you think it's worth it, I don't know and I don't know why, but so far as I see it that's still your own burdon you're loading on your shoulders and no real reason for any delay at all. You have literally months to clear the content until the next one arrives, you can take all the time in the world for it - you just choose not to.

Personally while I don't mind a delay, I just don't see your point that much. We talked about it in our static too, before deciding just to wait two days so everyone can enjoy the story and prepare. But then again, I'm in a casual static with only two raiding evenings a week because of different work-schedules, so we don't care about a fast clear anyway.

What of value, exactly, are you afraid will be lost if Savage is delayed a week after patch hits?

And why would you want to hold back on content that is already ready for release? That's literally the first time I've heard that a part of the community asked to not release more content as soon as possible. Usually it's the other way around: If it's ready then what are you waiting for? Release it already so people can enjoy it. Why should anyone need to wait just because you have set yourself some exceedingly difficult tasks like a week 1 kill?

[Thoosa]

Hmmm. There is an argument to say that if you’re a world first type player, you’re not really gonna care about the raid story, you’re just going to want to dive right in to savage so you’ll just skip all cut scenes anyway and then go back and do msq after you’ve cleared them all. And in this case a delay might annoy you because you’re bored and have nothing to do until the next tier comes out and your main motivation is world first clears.

Everyone else probably won’t care about a delay because they won’t be in the world first bracket, therefore for them it’s like whatever, they’ll clear at some point.

[NanaWiloh]

Some terrible logic on this thread. Can't plan ahead with a month+ warning...but can some how do it with in a week For story week delay makes sense but raid rep? Food and four pices of gear from normal thats literally one or two evenings at most.

[Zabuza]

And why would you want to hold back on content that is already ready for release? That's literally the first time I've heard that a part of the community asked to not release more content as soon as possible. Usually it's the other way around: If it's ready then what are you waiting for? Release it already so people can enjoy it. Why should anyone need to wait just because you have set yourself some exceedingly difficult tasks like a week 1 kill?

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them. Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?

Some terrible logic on this thread. Can't plan ahead with a month+ warning...but can some how do it with in a week

How are we supposed to plan it when the recipes to craft the current 480 gear don't come out until launch day? How are we supposed to plan it in advance when SE doesn't even give us the date patch will drop until it is too late to request off at our actual jobs? Mid-February is not a date, it's an approximation. I've noticed my questions still haven't been answered.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them.

You don't have to. Noone is forcing you. If you still do it then it's because you WANT to (and I still don't even know why).

Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?

Maybe it actually isn't ready by then and the devs are actually planning with those 2 weeks for designing the savage-content? I don't know.

[testname]

For those opposed to this, can you tell me:

What of value, exactly, are you afraid will be lost if Savage is delayed a week after patch hits?

Does it also bother you when an expansion launches and Savage is delayed two weeks? If it does not bother you in that case, why should it bother you in this case?

Exactly

I don't understand hostility from some people

Even making it delay for 3 days, would be God Blessing for people who actually work from Monday to Friday ( for me it would change a lot ) The best would be One Week

[Zabuza]

You don't have to. Noone is forcing you. If you still do it then it's because you WANT to (and I still don't even know why).

I explained it in my first post a couple pages back. My only choice then is to do the story and fall behind the first wave raiders, or don't do the story for awhile. So in that sense, yes SE is forcing that choice. If I choose to play FFXIV as a raider who enjoys story those are my two choices.