Can we please delay Savage?

[Lambdafish]

I mean, yeah sure you can't enjoy the rest of the patch at your own pace, but hey world first is about dedication and skill, competition is a cruel world, if you are not ready to press the skip button to go faster you're not ready at all.

Slightly niche point of view, but what if there is a particular streamer whose reaction to the NM story I want to see? Now I get thats on the streamer to provide content that I enjoy, but its also on SE for not allowing content creators to participate in the world first race and enjoy NM for their viewers.

[Nariel]

Slightly niche point of view, but what if there is a particular streamer whose reaction to the NM story I want to see? Now I get thats on the streamer to provide content that I enjoy, but its also on SE for not allowing content creators to participate in the world first race and enjoy NM for their viewers.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I'm quite sure you can find stream of world first down contender if you wish so and you know what I'm pretty sure you can watch both and not miss anything thanks to replay. Will the same person be able to do both ? No, life is about choice, you're not twelves years old anymore. You can't expect a company to cater to every whim. Lets not make this already short competition even more shorter and bland, as I said people who can't concede and make sacrifice aren't ready to compete for a first wolrd down anyway.

[SinisterJoints]

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I'm quite sure you can find stream of world first down contender if you wish so and you know what I'm pretty sure you can watch both and not miss anything thanks to replay. Will the same person be able to do both ? No, life is about choice, you're not twelves years old anymore. You can't expect a company to cater to every whim. Lets not make this already short competition even more shorter and bland, as I said people who can't concede and make sacrifice aren't ready to compete for a first wolrd down anyway.

Can't say it better than this.

[Kraniel]

You can't expect a company to cater to every whim. Lets not make this already short competition even more shorter and bland, as I said people who can't concede and make sacrifice aren't ready to compete for a first wolrd down anyway.

And in my opinion if you're worried about extra competition (should Savage raids be delayed by a week), you're not truly ready to compete for a first world down either.

I agree with you saying that players who don't have an ultra competitive mindset won't get the first world clear anyway, but it doesn't invalidate their point at all.

[SaberMaxwell]

Meh.

Its actualy a bit more interesting to see each team putting their strategy in to motion ASAP, having two team dedicating themselves at the same time, one who start the progress with the raid and the one rushing to get the better gear ready the faster possible, when pattern from normal mode are still fresh. With one week notice, everybody will be geared the same, every moves will be analyzed and team more prepared to destroy it even faster.

I mean, yeah sure you can't enjoy the rest of the patch at your own pace, but hey world first is about dedication and skill, competition is a cruel world, if you are not ready to press the skip button to go faster you're not ready at all.

World first racers don't craft their own gear/food/pots, they have dedicated teams on the side that do these things for them while they push into the tier as hard as they can without them.

[Nariel]

World first racers don't craft their own gear/food/pots, they have dedicated teams on the side that do these things for them while they push into the tier as hard as they can without them.

Thats what I said, two team dedicated to a same project, the fighter and the crafter working together to grasp the victory first.

[SaberMaxwell]

Thats what I said, two team dedicated to a same project, the fighter and the crafter working together to grasp the victory first.

With all due respect, your comment very much reads like "Team A rushes content, Team B makes gear then rushes content, and I like seeing how they compare."

FFXIV world first racers also don't tend to stream (although that's becoming more common as time goes by), and even when they do you're not exactly watching the crafting team on the sidelines get everything ready for them.

[Nariel]

With all due respect, your comment very much reads like "Team A rushes content, Team B makes gear then rushes content, and I like seeing how they compare."

FFXIV world first racers also don't tend to stream (although that's becoming more common as time goes by), and even when they do you're not exactly watching the crafting team on the sidelines get everything ready for them.

Your point being ?

I don't care about streaming but its seem quite obvious a team trying to be the first in the world to beat a content to don't show how they do it to their rivals because they are in a competition, you know what, one more argument about how streaming isn't an argument for delaying content : If you let for the world to see your strategies you clearly aren't serious about being first, so what is the point of doing this first week or later ?

"But I'm a paying customer I'm entitled to ask anything" No, you are not. You pay to acces the data of the game, wich they provide.

A static reaching for the world first don't need any delay, they organised themselves, they gathered anything that may be of use if not everything just in case, they stacked materia, foods, prepared teams and assigned crafters to support them. Its a competitive mindset and not the casual competitive one, if you think that a mere delay will give you a shot at it you clearly don't have a clue about the league you stepped in.

[SaberMaxwell]

Your point being ?

I don't care about streaming but its seem quite obvious a team trying to be the first in the world to beat a content to don't show how they do it to their rivals because they are in a competition

You don't say. So then explain the next quote, which was your entry to the thread and what many could consider your thesis statement:

Its actualy a bit more interesting to see each team putting their strategy in to motion ASAP

They're obviously not streaming, so you're obviously not seeing it. How do any of their habits affect you whatsoever, beyond the warm fuzzy feeling inside that 8 people are personally contracted to make gear for 8 other people, all 16 of which completely unrelated to you?

, you know what, one more argument about how streaming isn't an argument for delaying content : If you let for the world to see your strategies you clearly aren't serious about being first, so what is the point of doing this first week or later ?

World First =/= Week One.

And the point? What's the point of anything, ever? It's what we agreed to, and what we wanted to do. That doesn't mean the current systems in place aren't annoying and rigid especially when the first tier of every expansion is free of them.

"But I'm a paying customer I'm entitled to ask anything" No, you are not. You pay to acces the data of the game, wich they provide.

As a paying customer, I can use their forums provided exclusively to paying customers in the interest of receiving feedback on the game to ask for anything. You, as another paying customer, are free to use the forums provided solely to paying customers, to disagree with me, and that is fine. Whether they provide is up to them.

A static reaching for the world first don't need any delay, they organised themselves, they gathered anything that may be of use if not everything just in case, they stacked materia, foods, prepared teams and assigned crafters to support them. Its a competitive mindset and not the casual competitive one, if you think that a mere delay will give you a shot at it you clearly don't have a clue about the league you stepped in.

1) Sure, they don't need a delay. But plenty want one. Sebazy is a well known former world prog raider, and she's in this very thread asking for that very thing.

2) I never claimed I was aiming for world prog, nor that that was ever my team's goal. If we were going to aim for that, we would have all booked a timeslot and ran 16h days; because of the short notice Square gave, in addition to our own team's goals, we instead opted to only run 30h for the week. On day 1, we had to sacrifice an entire hour because of the players who'd just gotten home and needed to do NM; it wasn't even a question of getting gear since myself and two other members geared and outfitted the whole static with our own days off. Losing an hour or so to Eden wasn't necessarily a fun prospect, though.

3) This isn't only about world racers because they're not the only ones affected; week firsters are too. If we're gonna talk what "league" I'm in, I'd say I'm generally a week firster given my results in Eden's Gate Savage and sub-100h prog time for TEA. I very much do believe a one-week delay would have given me all the room I needed to slide in for a week 1 savage kill of Eden's Verse. At the very least, having to take time out before even being able to access Savage in the first place did not help us out much in our endeavors.

Wouldn't the "prep" time kind of cheapen/trivialize the whole world first race anyways? Isn't that part of the thrill? How fast can you come together as a team and get through the content. It was back when 2.0 launched when I actually tried for world first.

Nope. TEA World First, for example, started with everyone 100% prepped with gear, food and potions before the fight even launched; what's more, when it did launch they could go straight into it without story mode, and it was a much tighter competition (until TPS pulled a miracle from the aether and bigbrained an incredibly cryptic mechanic).

[Aurelius2625]

Guys, we're going about this wrong: just say that we want to "Release normal mode early" instead of "Delay savage". The unreasonable people won't tell the difference