5.0 WAR is a disappointment

[Khimer]

You can't really claim that warrior is difficult because it has to do things every other job in the game also has to do. I really think you should probably just reroll since Warrior isn't doing it for you, if you can't make it work, that doesn't suddenly mean it has an issue. It could definitely use a boost, but you're making it sound way worse than it actually is and are claiming it's *also* complex, which is factually incorrect. There is nothing complex about warrior itself, adjusting isn't specifically a "warrior" thing, every job has to adjust for mechanics and downtime.

And you go and make the same incorrect argument your friend made. Are you kidding me?

Your entire argument can be summed up with "I have to do things everyone else does in order to succeed" and you would be correct, you do and I don't see the issue with needing to adjust the way you play to meet the requirements of the content.

What?

[Draemoris]

Didn't i explain this contradiction in the post above?


How can you not see the point of the post? Do you even remember what you wrote in your previous posts or do you just reset every time? I go: "yeah warrior is more complex, because it has to keep a buff up and keep an eye on its gauge, something that gnb doesn't even have to care about" and you go: "duuuuhhhh, keeping SE up is super easy i don't even think about it, how can you call it difficult, duuuh". Which at this point you just enter subjective territory. Well to me double weaving, positionals, timing buffs, and keeping buffs none of that is difficult. If we go by that nothing is complex in this game. BUT THE POINT WAS THAT WARRIOR HAS EXTRA LAYER OF GAMEPLAY THAT IT HAS TO CARE ABOUT IN FIGHTS, EXTRA THONKING HAS TO BE DONE. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE? GOD PLEASE STOP.

I think you're the one that needs to stop at this point because everything regarding difficulty within this thread is entirely subjective. You're saying Warrior is the most complex but that is entirely untrue because just as *you* find it the most complex, others find it the least complex. There is no "extra thonking" that needs to be done unless *you yourself* require to do so. Just drop it and move on because you're clearly reaching a point where you're getting mad because someone else disagrees with you over a subject that is entirely opinionated.

EDIT: No, I am not kidding you. Take a deep breath, then sit back and understand that nothing you are saying about Warrior's complexity is factual. You can have an opinion about it, but you can't pass it off as fact simply because you see it as such.

[Khimer]

I think you're the one that needs to stop at this point because everything regarding difficulty within this thread is entirely subjective. You're saying Warrior is the most complex but that is entirely untrue because just as *you* find it the most complex, others find it the least complex. There is no "extra thonking" that needs to be done unless *you yourself* require to do so. Just drop it and move on because you're clearly reaching a point where you're getting mad because someone else disagrees with you over a subject that is entirely opinionated.

Where did i say it was MOST complex? Can you and your friend give up already?

[Khimer]

There is no "extra thonking" that needs to be done unless *you yourself* require to do so. Just drop it and move on because you're clearly reaching a point where you're getting mad because someone else disagrees with you over a subject that is entirely opinionated.

All my posts on this thread say how braindead warrior is rotation wise. Do you just not bother because there are a lot of letters or smthn? We are comparing warrior to gnb here. Hello?

[Draemoris]

Where did i say it was MOST complex? Can you and your friend give up already?

GNB is the *most* complex tank and you're putting Warrior above it. Thus you are stating it's the most complex tank. For someone who claims you gotta do extra thonking, you aren't really doing much thonking right now. Warrior has no extra "layer" of gameplay, it has the same level of gameplay as other jobs because they TOO have to adjust, same as you. Stop over complicating your job, Warrior is easily accessible, and fun to play. It doesn't NEED to be complex to be fun. Fun is entirely subjective, if you ENJOY GNB more because of the high APM, then go PLAY IT. Nobody is forcing you to sit on Warrior.

EDIT:

All my posts on this thread say how braindead warrior is rotation wise. Do you just not bother because there are a lot of letters or smthn? We are comparing warrior to gnb here. Hello?

Also cut out the condescending attitude. Insulting people because you're getting mad isn't helping your argument.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Didn't i explain this contradiction in the post above?


How can you not see the point of the post? Do you even remember what you wrote in your previous posts or do you just reset every time? I go: "yeah warrior is more complex, because it has to keep a buff up and keep an eye on its gauge, something that gnb doesn't even have to care about" and you go: "duuuuhhhh, keeping SE up is super easy i don't even think about it, how can you call it difficult, duuuh". Which at this point you just enter subjective territory. Well to me double weaving, positionals, timing buffs, and keeping buffs none of that is difficult. If we go by that nothing is complex in this game. BUT THE POINT WAS THAT WARRIOR HAS EXTRA LAYER OF GAMEPLAY THAT IT HAS TO CARE ABOUT IN FIGHTS, EXTRA THONKING HAS TO BE DONE. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE? GOD PLEASE STOP.

Okay, let me explain this to you in as simple a way as possible so that maybe, just maybe, you're capable of understanding. Gunbreaker's entire rotation/opener can change on a fight-by-fight basis in order to optimize for said fight. That is something that Warrior objectively does not have. Warrior is always the same; you pull with Tomahawk, use Infuriate to get the cooldown running, apply Storm's Eye, consume Nascent Chaos, and then either use your second Infuriate + Nascent Chaos and go into Inner Release, or go into Inner Release and then use your second Infuriate + Nascent Chaos. There is no variation to those two scenarios. Once said scenarios have ended Warrior's rotation falls into the same never-changing 1-2-3 pattern;

1. Keep Storm's Eye up at all times (barring 30s+ long downtimes)
2. Keep Upheaval on cooldown
3. Use Fell Cleave as necessary to avoid overcapping on gauge

And you do this same cycle endlessly until your Infuriate charges come back and Inner Release comes off of cooldown, at which point you do it all over again. This never changes, with the only alteration being certain points in bosses occasionally requiring you to replace a Storm's Path with a Storm's Eye just before a forced mechanical downtime so as to prevent the buff from falling off. That is not complexity, that is having the basic ability to see that your buff falls off when doing your standard rotation and simply alter a singular ability use. It is optimization, but not a complex or difficult one. Warrior is not hard, nor is it complex, and it frankly amuses me that someone who is very clearly unskilled at the job and doesn't understand it is attempting to argue with me about it being such.

[Khimer]

GNB is the *most* complex tank and you're putting Warrior above it.

Well, *you* put it on that pedestal. I've yet to hear any reasons why you think that, while i explained multiple times, why warrior is more complex.

Warrior has no extra "layer" of gameplay, it has the same level of gameplay as other jobs because they TOO have to adjust, same as you.

Are you starting to compare this job to drg now or smthn? Obviously every job has to adjust, no shit. We are talking about war and gnb. And i explained exactly in what ways warrior has to adjust more than gnb. You are as dull as a doorknob.

Stop over complicating your job, Warrior is easily accessible, and fun to play. It doesn't NEED to be complex to be fun. Fun is entirely subjective, if you ENJOY GNB more because of the high APM, then go PLAY IT. Nobody is forcing you to sit on Warrior.

Hell yeah it is easily accessible. But hell no it is fun to play. And i can't just move on because it happened to be my favourite job as well as many others. Now it was butchered, and people want to see it restored. So why don't you leave warrior alone and play pld or smthn.

[Khimer]

GNB is the *most* complex tank and you're putting Warrior above it. Thus you are stating it's the most complex tank. For someone who claims you gotta do extra thonking, you aren't really doing much thonking right now. Warrior has no extra "layer" of gameplay, it has the same level of gameplay as other jobs because they TOO have to adjust, same as you. Stop over complicating your job, Warrior is easily accessible, and fun to play. It doesn't NEED to be complex to be fun. Fun is entirely subjective, if you ENJOY GNB more because of the high APM, then go PLAY IT. Nobody is forcing you to sit on Warrior.

EDIT:

Also cut out the condescending attitude. Insulting people because you're getting mad isn't helping your argument.

im actually enjoying this conversation, it does make me a little mad that it seems you cant even comprehend what im saying and you just seem to spew random messages, to the point where im thinking is it even worth it to continue this conversation, if 1 side doesn't even understand other.

[Draemoris]

Well, *you* put it on that pedestal. I've yet to hear any reasons why you think that, while i explained multiple times, why warrior is more complex.


Are you starting to compare this job to drg now or smthn? Obviously every job has to adjust, no shit. We are talking about war and gnb. And i explained exactly in what ways warrior has to adjust more than gnb. You are as dull as a doorknob.


Hell yeah it is easily accessible. But hell no it is fun to play. And i can't just move on because it happened to be my favourite job as well as many others. Now it was butchered, and people want to see it restored. So why don't you leave warrior alone and play pld or smthn.

Because I find Paladin as dull as Warrior. I *personally* dislike both. You're calling me as dull as a doorknob yet you've been given points as to why you're incorrect from my "friend" above. If you're deciding to be dense, that's entirely on you. Resorting to personal insults because you can't find a legitimate reason why Warrior is more complex than Gunbreaker is a *you* problem. Your explanation as to why Warrior is more complex is literally summed up as "I have to decide if I pop X or Y in this situation" And newsflash, every job has to do that at some point or another. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall, maybe you just aren't reading carefully enough. People want to see it "restored" and others who enjoy it as it is now, don't. You aren't the center of the universe, you're among a group of people who dislike how Warrior is. Plenty of others like how it plays, so maybe just deal with it? Dark Knight was changed from its playstyle back in SB, I'm SURE people who loved that iteration of it weren't too happy with the current iteration of Dark Knight, but it brought in a lot of other Dark Knight players who love it. Stop being so self centered, thanks.

EDIT:

im actually enjoying this conversation, it does make me a little mad that it seems you cant even comprehend what im saying and you just seem to spew random messages, to the point where im thinking is it even worth it to continue this conversation, if 1 side doesn't even understand other.

Oh sweet irony, you must find complete and utter bliss in your ignorance.

[Lucy_Pyre]

So why don't you leave warrior alone and play pld or smthn.

How about you, someone who clearly neither enjoys the job nor even understands how it functions, leave my main job alone. You've already very clearly stated that you enjoy Gunbreaker far more than Warrior, and that's wonderful for you. So go play Gunbreaker since it's so much more enjoyable for you. Meanwhile I am going to continue to play my main job and, apparently, have to defend it from people who are obviously unskilled and incapable of playing it at a high level yet think they are qualified to speak on it despite that fact.