5.0 WAR is a disappointment

[Khimer]

I think you're the one that needs to stop at this point because everything regarding difficulty within this thread is entirely subjective. You're saying Warrior is the most complex but that is entirely untrue because just as *you* find it the most complex, others find it the least complex. There is no "extra thonking" that needs to be done unless *you yourself* require to do so. Just drop it and move on because you're clearly reaching a point where you're getting mad because someone else disagrees with you over a subject that is entirely opinionated.

Where did i say it was MOST complex? Can you and your friend give up already?

[Draemoris]

Where did i say it was MOST complex? Can you and your friend give up already?

GNB is the *most* complex tank and you're putting Warrior above it. Thus you are stating it's the most complex tank. For someone who claims you gotta do extra thonking, you aren't really doing much thonking right now. Warrior has no extra "layer" of gameplay, it has the same level of gameplay as other jobs because they TOO have to adjust, same as you. Stop over complicating your job, Warrior is easily accessible, and fun to play. It doesn't NEED to be complex to be fun. Fun is entirely subjective, if you ENJOY GNB more because of the high APM, then go PLAY IT. Nobody is forcing you to sit on Warrior.

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All my posts on this thread say how braindead warrior is rotation wise. Do you just not bother because there are a lot of letters or smthn? We are comparing warrior to gnb here. Hello?

Also cut out the condescending attitude. Insulting people because you're getting mad isn't helping your argument.

[Khimer]

GNB is the *most* complex tank and you're putting Warrior above it.

Well, *you* put it on that pedestal. I've yet to hear any reasons why you think that, while i explained multiple times, why warrior is more complex.

Warrior has no extra "layer" of gameplay, it has the same level of gameplay as other jobs because they TOO have to adjust, same as you.

Are you starting to compare this job to drg now or smthn? Obviously every job has to adjust, no shit. We are talking about war and gnb. And i explained exactly in what ways warrior has to adjust more than gnb. You are as dull as a doorknob.

Stop over complicating your job, Warrior is easily accessible, and fun to play. It doesn't NEED to be complex to be fun. Fun is entirely subjective, if you ENJOY GNB more because of the high APM, then go PLAY IT. Nobody is forcing you to sit on Warrior.

Hell yeah it is easily accessible. But hell no it is fun to play. And i can't just move on because it happened to be my favourite job as well as many others. Now it was butchered, and people want to see it restored. So why don't you leave warrior alone and play pld or smthn.

[Draemoris]

Well, *you* put it on that pedestal. I've yet to hear any reasons why you think that, while i explained multiple times, why warrior is more complex.


Are you starting to compare this job to drg now or smthn? Obviously every job has to adjust, no shit. We are talking about war and gnb. And i explained exactly in what ways warrior has to adjust more than gnb. You are as dull as a doorknob.


Hell yeah it is easily accessible. But hell no it is fun to play. And i can't just move on because it happened to be my favourite job as well as many others. Now it was butchered, and people want to see it restored. So why don't you leave warrior alone and play pld or smthn.

Because I find Paladin as dull as Warrior. I *personally* dislike both. You're calling me as dull as a doorknob yet you've been given points as to why you're incorrect from my "friend" above. If you're deciding to be dense, that's entirely on you. Resorting to personal insults because you can't find a legitimate reason why Warrior is more complex than Gunbreaker is a *you* problem. Your explanation as to why Warrior is more complex is literally summed up as "I have to decide if I pop X or Y in this situation" And newsflash, every job has to do that at some point or another. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall, maybe you just aren't reading carefully enough. People want to see it "restored" and others who enjoy it as it is now, don't. You aren't the center of the universe, you're among a group of people who dislike how Warrior is. Plenty of others like how it plays, so maybe just deal with it? Dark Knight was changed from its playstyle back in SB, I'm SURE people who loved that iteration of it weren't too happy with the current iteration of Dark Knight, but it brought in a lot of other Dark Knight players who love it. Stop being so self centered, thanks.

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im actually enjoying this conversation, it does make me a little mad that it seems you cant even comprehend what im saying and you just seem to spew random messages, to the point where im thinking is it even worth it to continue this conversation, if 1 side doesn't even understand other.

Oh sweet irony, you must find complete and utter bliss in your ignorance.

[Khimer]

You're calling me as dull as a doorknob yet you've been given points as to why you're incorrect from my "friend" above. If you're deciding to be dense, that's entirely on you. Resorting to personal insults because you can't find a legitimate reason why Warrior is more complex than Gunbreaker is a *you* problem. Your explanation as to why Warrior is more complex is literally summed up as "I have to decide if I pop X or Y in this situation" And newsflash, every job has to do that at some point or another.

Seriously? Still?

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall, maybe you just aren't reading carefully enough. People want to see it "restored" and others who enjoy it as it is now, don't. You aren't the center of the universe, you're among a group of people who dislike how Warrior is. Plenty of others like how it plays, so maybe just deal with it? Dark Knight was changed from its playstyle back in SB, I'm SURE people who loved that iteration of it weren't too happy with the current iteration of Dark Knight, but it brought in a lot of other Dark Knight players who love it. Stop being so self centered, thanks

It just happens to be that im not the only one. And its pretty egotistical to hold hostage job, which others used to enjoy too. Have you thought about others? What the hell.

[Lucy_Pyre]

So why don't you leave warrior alone and play pld or smthn.

How about you, someone who clearly neither enjoys the job nor even understands how it functions, leave my main job alone. You've already very clearly stated that you enjoy Gunbreaker far more than Warrior, and that's wonderful for you. So go play Gunbreaker since it's so much more enjoyable for you. Meanwhile I am going to continue to play my main job and, apparently, have to defend it from people who are obviously unskilled and incapable of playing it at a high level yet think they are qualified to speak on it despite that fact.

[Khimer]

How about you, someone who clearly neither enjoys the job nor even understands how it functions, leave my main job alone. You've already very clearly stated that you enjoy Gunbreaker far more than Warrior, and that's wonderful for you. So go play Gunbreaker since it's so much more enjoyable for you. Meanwhile I am going to continue to play my main job and, apparently, have to defend it from people who are obviously unskilled and incapable of playing it at a high level yet think they are qualified to speak on it despite that fact.

U rite. Actually i want to hear what do you like about warrior.

[Lucy_Pyre]

U rite. Actually i want to hear what do you like about warrior.

There isn't really any point to that, as enjoyment is entirely subjective. For instance, I find Paladin boring both because all of its animations barring Conf are dull to me, and I dislike sword & board. While on the opposite end I enjoy Dark Knight because it has really smooth animations & managing mana with TBN/Edge/Flood of Shadow is something I enjoy, and I enjoy Warrior because Fell Cleave/Upheaval/Inner Chaos all feel really satisfying to use as well as the fact that the way the job plays (short term high burst window -> downtime period -> burst period again) is always something I've enjoyed in terms of damage designs.

Enjoyment of a job is entirely subjective, however the states of those jobs and what they need/don't need are entirely objective, and that seems to be what you don't understand.

[Khimer]

There isn't really any point to that, as enjoyment is entirely subjective. For instance, I find Paladin boring both because all of its animations barring Conf are dull to me, and I dislike sword & board. While on the opposite end I enjoy Dark Knight because it has really smooth animations & managing mana with TBN/Edge/Flood of Shadow is something I enjoy, and I enjoy Warrior because Fell Cleave/Upheaval/Inner Chaos all feel really satisfying to use as well as the fact that the way the job plays (short term high burst window -> downtime period -> burst period again) is always something I've enjoyed in terms of damage designs.

Enjoyment of a job is entirely subjective, however the states of those jobs and what they need/don't need are entirely objective, and that seems to be what you don't understand.

Yeah and entirely objective point is that warrior needs to get rid of Direct+Critical hits. Yet you still defend it. What does that say about you? Everything you described you like can be done way better, and was done better before, so you probably joined post 4.2. Then why are you so adamant to defend it if you haven't even tried?

[Khimer]

GNB is the *most* complex tank and you're putting Warrior above it. Thus you are stating it's the most complex tank. For someone who claims you gotta do extra thonking, you aren't really doing much thonking right now. Warrior has no extra "layer" of gameplay, it has the same level of gameplay as other jobs because they TOO have to adjust, same as you. Stop over complicating your job, Warrior is easily accessible, and fun to play. It doesn't NEED to be complex to be fun. Fun is entirely subjective, if you ENJOY GNB more because of the high APM, then go PLAY IT. Nobody is forcing you to sit on Warrior.

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Also cut out the condescending attitude. Insulting people because you're getting mad isn't helping your argument.

im actually enjoying this conversation, it does make me a little mad that it seems you cant even comprehend what im saying and you just seem to spew random messages, to the point where im thinking is it even worth it to continue this conversation, if 1 side doesn't even understand other.