How to give advice

[Angus]

Just as I don't care to play with someone who's "good" but has a horrid, toxic attitude, I'd likewise not want to play with someone who's "bad" just because they are polite and kind. That being said, if I had to pick? I'd pick the "bad" player.

However, I'm only human however and even I have my pet peeves. When a player does something wrong, I'm always reluctant to give pointers because either A) they'll listen, thank me, and try something different (rare occurrence), B) get angry, spew anger and make the rest of the run even harder or C) ignore chat completely (my personal favorite).


I do try to be polite about it, because I know I wouldn't like it if someone yelled at me what I should or shouldn't do (and at that point, I wouldn't care either). So while I understand your frustration OP, and personally sympathize, I also think you should practice your rotations for your own sake. Black mage isn't the easiest job, but it's far from being the most difficult either - and being a job that offers little to no utility, you really need to learn how to push your damage to that next level.

You're right, and I mean that (not sarcasm). I am working to up my game and I do take pride in being a blm.

[JohnSeal]

You're right, and I mean that (not sarcasm). I am working to up my game and I do take pride in being a blm.

Taking pride for being a BLM lmao

Most of people don’t like them because have 0 buff for the party and are lazy to dodge
Most of pugs or statics exclude them from the search me included xD

[ko_]

And that bolded part is exactly why we, as longterm players, need to give advice and feedback to a new person or even just to someone whos new to the job. And yes, as long as that advice is phrased politely, even without asking for permission first.

I dont think anyone is surprised about players underoperforming within the first few dungeons and no one has an issue with that, as long as they see the person really trying their best.
However... in light of the OP... Thunder IV is the level 64 BLM-skill. Thats way, way past being a new player or new to the job. Its way past the point where someone learns the concept of AoE vs. ST-damage and what to use when.
Personally, my BLM-hotbars are set up with a AoE-section and a ST-section. Each time I get a new skill, I read the tooltip and stick it either to the AoEs or the ST-spells.

And as I mentioned earlier already: what you're practising in dungeons goes to your muscle memory, so that one day you'll be able to play your job half asleep. Whats the point of letting someone learn and parctise something that you know is wrong in a dungeon? I had a bard in Haukke NM once, who wouldnt use DoTs and I kept asking for them, even though the whole run wouldnt have taken much longer without them. But the reason I kept asking for them and reminding him and telling him how important DoTs are is that I main bard as dps and know that the whole core-mechanic of bard - the songs - depend on your DoTs. So you better get used to keeping them all the time and learn how to do that from the start.

You're also making the good point of people not realising that they might be doing something wrong - which again supports giving polite advice, instead of asking for permission, seeing how that permission can denied, because someone is convinced they already know it all.
...and seeing how a question like "Hey, I see you're doing something wrong - might if I tell you how to do it right?" would hurt the feelings of every sensitive little snowflake out there already aswell (because you're telling them they're doing something wrong - even by offering to give advice, you're at least implying that), I really dont see the point of it.

Be polite, be friendly - but give advice when its needed! The game doesnt do it - its up to us.



No harm done! ;D
I know that my posts on this matter can come off as a little harsh in tone, but thats mainly because I try to make them as clear as possible. As I said in my first post here... touchy subject. And I would like to avoid this getting heated, by sticking to a neutral tone myself - even if that seems harsh at times! Nothing personal, just trying to get my points across as clear as possible - so I apologise if I cam of rude, that wasnt my intention!

Is that the big grin of riches? It's been so long. ;D

[Vidu]

Is that the big grin of riches? It's been so long. ;D

...the way you phrased THAT did some harm now! ...I'm feeling old all of sudden... excuse me, while I'll try to convert my blm-staff into a walking cane...

[Sigma-Astra]

Taking pride for being a BLM lmao

Most of people don’t like them because have 0 buff for the party and are lazy to dodge
Most of pugs or statics exclude them from the search me included xD

...Isn't excluding a certain class that people play due to personal bias also being sort of toxic towards the community at large and just as bad as someone being rude while giving advice...?

I'm stunned that people are still doing this. You can't tell someone to stop being rude with giving advice and then ostracize people within your community. It kind of makes people do a full-stop, 90's record scratch head tilt at you.

[Souljacker]

Taking pride for being a BLM lmao

Most of people don’t like them because have 0 buff for the party and are lazy to dodge
Most of pugs or statics exclude them from the search me included xD

Why would you trash that player for enjoying a job? So you personally think it brings nothing to your groups. Awesome. You are so leet I'm in awe of your greatness.

What exactly did you get out of trashing that player and his\her chosen job on a forum?

[JohnSeal]

Why would you trash that player for enjoying a job? So you personally think it brings nothing to your groups. Awesome. You are so leet I'm in awe of your greatness.

What exactly did you get out of trashing that player and his\her chosen job on a forum?

OMG sorry sorry I didn’t mean to offend, I apologies to him ! I really was just jocking around lol like sounded funny as he said it xD I find BLM fun to play in dangeoun, it’s like everything flashing and flaming (: was my first class at the begin and also I think the job quests are the really good.

No ostracism of any kind promise, everyone need to find the class that much more their personality and inclination.

It’s not the most popular class but doesn’t matter


Apologies again if it sounded offensive or insulting!

[Nixxe]

...Isn't excluding a certain class that people play due to personal bias also being sort of toxic towards the community at large and just as bad as someone being rude while giving advice...?

I'm stunned that people are still doing this. You can't tell someone to stop being rude with giving advice and then ostracize people within your community. It kind of makes people do a full-stop, 90's record scratch head tilt at you.

Excluding jobs based on what they can contribute to your group with respect to other choices is not and never will be toxic it's done for even reasonably competitive or serious content. If you have an issue with it, take it up with whoever is in charge of balancing classes, not other players.

[alimdia]

Excluding jobs based on what they can contribute to your group with respect to other choices is not and never will be toxic it's done for even reasonably competitive or serious content. If you have an issue with it, take it up with whoever is in charge of balancing classes, not other players.

But this thread is not the place to bring that up, no one here is discussing job balance, nothing wrong with someone enjoying BLM.

[Nixxe]

But this thread is not the place to bring that up, no one here is discussing job balance, nothing wrong with someone enjoying BLM.

I never suggested otherwise. I responded to what another poster said. I suggest you do the same, rather than responding to things that weren't said.