How to give advice

[Vidu]

Is that the big grin of riches? It's been so long. ;D

...the way you phrased THAT did some harm now! ...I'm feeling old all of sudden... excuse me, while I'll try to convert my blm-staff into a walking cane...

[ko_]

...the way you phrased THAT did some harm now! ...I'm feeling old all of sudden... excuse me, while I'll try to convert my blm-staff into a walking cane...

Omg. Hugzbigsqueeze. We dont call it the big grin anymore? I is old so forgive me.

[silverlunarfox]

Warning: I'm venting and this has been said before, but it bares repeating.

So on Friday I'm doing a simple Duty Finder dungeon run. I'm blm, not the best, but I'm learning my rotation. I can get Flare up pretty fast. I tend to use the same basic rotation on both single and group targets. Yes, I should work on that.

Anyways, things are going well and we're all running through it pretty quickly, when someone has a fit that I'm using Thunder 4 on a single target. They then proceed to say "let me school you on blm". This ticked me off beyond compare. A few runs down the line and they post the basic blm rotation.

I get it, I need to work on things, but I am getting better. If this this person had been watching, they'd have seen I was doing most of the rotation. Also, stuff happens, sometimes I lose my place in the rotation due to fight dynamics.

The point? If you want to give advice, ask the other play if they want it. This person's attitude threw my whole game off the rest of the run. I've been in parties where players asked others if they'd like a few tips. Those parties were some of the best I've been in. People start talking and sharing and we have great times. This is why I haven't left Final Fantasy.

Thanks for listening, hope some of you understand.

There's a good way and a bad way to give advice, your encounter with the teammate would fall under bad way.

That being said advice should not be given only if the player accepts to getting it. That's just silly. Let them say their advice, and you take it as you see fit. Either you'll take the advice or you won't.

"let me school you on blm" may make me want to go ice mage at that rate. But some people do it to feed their own egos. let them and move on. You'll learn your class in time. Not everyone starts off perfect, nor does everyone play perfectly 100% of the time. Just take a deep breath and carry on. :3

[JohnSeal]

You're right, and I mean that (not sarcasm). I am working to up my game and I do take pride in being a blm.

Taking pride for being a BLM lmao

Most of people don’t like them because have 0 buff for the party and are lazy to dodge
Most of pugs or statics exclude them from the search me included xD

[Sigma-Astra]

Taking pride for being a BLM lmao

Most of people don’t like them because have 0 buff for the party and are lazy to dodge
Most of pugs or statics exclude them from the search me included xD

...Isn't excluding a certain class that people play due to personal bias also being sort of toxic towards the community at large and just as bad as someone being rude while giving advice...?

I'm stunned that people are still doing this. You can't tell someone to stop being rude with giving advice and then ostracize people within your community. It kind of makes people do a full-stop, 90's record scratch head tilt at you.

[Nixxe]

...Isn't excluding a certain class that people play due to personal bias also being sort of toxic towards the community at large and just as bad as someone being rude while giving advice...?

I'm stunned that people are still doing this. You can't tell someone to stop being rude with giving advice and then ostracize people within your community. It kind of makes people do a full-stop, 90's record scratch head tilt at you.

Excluding jobs based on what they can contribute to your group with respect to other choices is not and never will be toxic it's done for even reasonably competitive or serious content. If you have an issue with it, take it up with whoever is in charge of balancing classes, not other players.

[alimdia]

Excluding jobs based on what they can contribute to your group with respect to other choices is not and never will be toxic it's done for even reasonably competitive or serious content. If you have an issue with it, take it up with whoever is in charge of balancing classes, not other players.

But this thread is not the place to bring that up, no one here is discussing job balance, nothing wrong with someone enjoying BLM.

[Nixxe]

But this thread is not the place to bring that up, no one here is discussing job balance, nothing wrong with someone enjoying BLM.

I never suggested otherwise. I responded to what another poster said. I suggest you do the same, rather than responding to things that weren't said.

[Sigma-Astra]

Excluding jobs based on what they can contribute to your group with respect to other choices is not and never will be toxic it's done for even reasonably competitive or serious content. If you have an issue with it, take it up with whoever is in charge of balancing classes, not other players.

Why on earth would I blame the devs for other people excluding certain jobs because they decided that catering towards themselves and the meta compositions is more important than being a decent human being online and offline?

No, I blame the human being behind the damn screen, not because the developers can sometimes be incompetent. The developers being incompetent is not an excuse to act like a bully towards other who favor certain classes and then ostracize them from said content. They deserve, so long as they bring the skills to back it up, to enjoy any piece of content as any job with the same amount of importance as you do. Any job can do casual and Savage content, I call bs on that. It's the person playing that job that determines that, not the job itself.

If you're ostracizing someone else from your static simply because of the job they play instead of their own skills and effort at playing said job, then yes, you're being rather toxic.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Why on earth would I blame the devs for other people excluding certain jobs because they decided that catering towards themselves and the meta compositions is more important than being a decent human being online and offline?

No, I blame the human being behind the damn screen, not because the developers can sometimes be incompetent. The developers being incompetent is not an excuse to act like a bully towards other who favor certain classes and then ostracize them from said content. They deserve, so long as they bring the skills to back it up, to enjoy any piece of content as any job with the same amount of importance as you do. Any job can do casual and Savage content, I call bs on that. It's the person playing that job that determines that, not the job itself.

If you're ostracizing someone else from your static simply because of the job they play instead of their own skills and effort at playing said job, then yes, you're being rather toxic.

Unfortunately, we have no way of vetting their skill prior to playing with them. And the sheer number of awful Samurai and Black Mages I have seen do make me hesitant to have one in a random pug group for Savage when their only use is damage. I haven't blocked them outright, but I can't fault people having a bias towards both. They're the only job where if they play lackluster, they contribute nothing.