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    SargentToughie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    .... literally none of that supports lillies in their current iteration.

    Like, nothing.

    This is why no one can take you seriously. This, right here.
    They also super conveniently ignored being called out on the last page. Asking to spill the beans on their intimate knowledge about ACT, which is apparently so severe that it's going to result in a ban of the program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    They also super conveniently ignored being called out on the last page. Asking to spill the beans on their intimate knowledge about ACT, which is apparently so severe that it's going to result in a ban of the program.
    Oh wow.

    A ban of a program that is already banned?

    I wonder how that works- oh, wait, my bad! I was applying logic and reason again. Sorry everyone, I should have learned my lesson by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    They also super conveniently ignored being called out on the last page. Asking to spill the beans on their intimate knowledge about ACT, which is apparently so severe that it's going to result in a ban of the program.
    I do not fall for schoolyard biff tannen gambits.

    As I said, I know how the parsers work, and anyone who thinks they are going to goad me into trying SE's patience by explaining it on the official forum, really doesn't know me very well at all. I don't bluff. Suffice it to say anyone can decompile the parser, but I doubt the script kiddies who use the parser know what to look for. You're just blindly trusting that it's accurate, when the author has many times explained it is not for various reasons. You just don't want to hear it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Oh wow.

    A ban of a program that is already banned?

    I wonder how that works- oh, wait, my bad! I was applying logic and reason again. Sorry everyone, I should have learned my lesson by now.
    There is a difference between "Oh don't use third party tools because the violate the ToS", and "This tool uses pieces of the game client database obtained from the game client", therefor SE has even more grounds to shut it down since it redistributes SE's copyrighted content, and that goes to their legal department. The developer could easily produce a tool that doesn't include those files by having it extract the files at runtime, but no they instead included them inside the plugin.

    You also need to realize that the game has it's own logs. Go look in C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\my games\FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn\FFXIV_CHRXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\log and this is NOT what the parser is reading either.

    Now kindly stop being foolish. If you don't want to hear that the NA raiders are the ones hurting their own cause, then nothing I say is going to change your mind. SE has no reason to listen to the NA raiders, or their meta's or their strategies because the NA raiders are the ones actively driving players away from the game by doing exactly what yoshi-p said not to do. So because of that the NA raiders perpetuate a toxic learning environment and are openly hostile to anyone who doesn't subscribe to their groupthink.

    Instead of trying to lay in the sick burns at people who don't play the way you do, maybe, just maybe, stop being bad players yourselves. I say you don't need the tools, and several people come to the defense of the tools, missing the entire point that it's your reliance on a third party website processing of the parses that you have no idea how it calculates things that you're measuring yourself against. A group of bad script kiddies can taint all their parses to make themselves look 5% better so they could mock those beneath them with "git gud", and it would slip by because you don't know how it works, and there is no way to audit any parse against a known untainted baseline. You are beating your head into a concrete wall if your personal goal is to minmax dps just to get a score on a website that makes money off of you being obsessed. That is not healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    I do not fall for schoolyard biff tannen gambits.

    As I said, I know how the parsers work, and anyone who thinks they are going to goad me into trying SE's patience by explaining it on the official forum, really doesn't know me very well at all. I don't bluff. Suffice it to say anyone can decompile the parser, but I doubt the script kiddies who use the parser know what to look for. You're just blindly trusting that it's accurate, when the author has many times explained it is not for various reasons. You just don't want to hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Words or something, idk
    You're on the internet, Kisai. If you make a grand statement about your mastery over a subject, you're expected to back it up. Until you do, nothing you say on the matter has any kind of weight whatsoever.

    Pics or didn't happen is a term that exists for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    dodging the question of how any of this relates to lillies
    Kisai - you made this about "NA raiders" in respect to lillies but still haven't given any evidence that JP or EU players utelize this system any more than we do. It isn't a location issue unless you prove it to be.

    Please don't come to me about unhealthy behaviors, your own delusions boggle the minds of many users of these forums.

    I ask again - how does anything you posted support your stance that lillies in their current iteration are good or useful?
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    Last edited by MoroMurasaki; 06-06-2018 at 11:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    NA raiders NA raiders NA raiders NA raiders
    Holy generalizations batman!

    Why are you so obsessed with what NA raiders do when you don't raid? If you don't like raiding, don't want to raid, that's fine....but then why care THIS much about what they do? It makes no sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    NA raiders perpetuate a toxic learning environment and are openly hostile to anyone who doesn't subscribe to their groupthink.
    You're doing the same thing......

    You don't like the raiding scene so you automatically label them, generalize them, and be rude and hostile to anyone who raids even though you don't even really know any raiders personally.

    If you want to try to pretend like you are so much nicer and better than that well....you're failing at it.
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