Tank dps harrasment

[Awha]

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You may feel like people blow it out of proportion when it does happen, and

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you may feel it is not a common thing because you do not see it.

These are both fair points, but for one I rarely saw toxic behavior in PvP does that make it any more of an issue to certain players? Probably not. That point aside let us say that harassment only happens to one player a month, in my honest opinion that is once too much. It is a great tool, I use to raid hardcore back in WoW pushing for world and server firsts, though I really have no desire nor commitment to enter a new raiding scene. I do understand the value the tool provides to further ones play. Still people do abuse it, and no matter how infrequent the two of you may feel it happens still does not chance the fact that said issues do happen to players, and for the players that it does happen to it is big issue that truly effects their enjoyment of the game.

Do I wish people had thicker skin and took things in stride? Yeah would make everything much easier, and we probably would still have chat enabled in PvP. Even so I am not going to pretend issues do not not happen because I rarely ever saw them. I willing to bet it happens often to my friends cause they are far below avenge, I mean one of them sicks in tank stance and only uses their enmity combo, and yeah you do not need a meter to see that people are under-preforming, the meter just adds insult to injury. The easiest fix would be to make fflogs opt in instead of opt out, or make it so the data shown on the site is only your personal data. It would not fix the core issue, but like how the pvp chat bad did not fix the so called toxic pvp community at the very least it provided the illusion of it. Which is all a lot of people need.

[Dualgunner]

That point aside let us say that harassment only happens to one player a month, in my honest opinion that is once too much.

I agree: one person harassed is one person too many. But it remains unfair to deny people a tool because someone will abuse it: there is not a single tool in the history of mankind that cannot be misused someway to the detriment of people. The same logic could be applied to these forums; to the game itself; to the entire internet. Not to mention, even in absence of parsers, harassment doesn't generally go down, it takes other forms.

[Awha]

I agree: one person harassed is one person too many. But it remains unfair to deny people a tool because someone will abuse it: there is not a single tool in the history of mankind that cannot be misused someway to the detriment of people. The same logic could be applied to these forums; to the game itself; to the entire internet. Not to mention, even in absence of parsers, harassment doesn't generally go down, it takes other forms.

Did not mean to infer that I wanted them to get rid of them, my post was mostly aimed towards people that feel it is either not common because they do not see it, or when it does happen people blow it out of proportion. Though to be fair SE pretty much did that to the PvP community, that aside they should do something to either inform FFlogs to make them opt in instead out or make it so the data shown is only personal. As I said in my other post it would not fix much of anything, but at the very least it would offer the illusion of protection from harassment

[Sylvina]

I challenge you to find how many O4S clears there are with tanks staying in tank stance.

Well if this is actually true then there needs to be some changes. Tank Stance exists for a reason and when it becomes useless balance is wrong.

[Cakekizyy]

Not because they're uploading them from public battle logs having been in the same party with you. It's like uploading a screenshot from your party chat.

In which case you should be censoring names of others. Your example reinforces their point.

[Thoro39]

Data about me menkel schmenkel. This whole deal about "my privacy" is kind of out of proportion
FFLogs containing records of your performance is no different from a Youtube-Video or Twitch recording that incidentally has you playing your character in it, just in a more displayable/searchable manner. You don't see anyone asking you for your permission whether they can upload a gameplayvideo of a 24 Man or ExPrimal raid, just because you happened to be in that party.
These kind of demands are asinine, especially when you have the option to hide your character anyway if it bothers you THAT much. If it doesnt bother you that much, no harm gained.

[Taika]

In which case you should be censoring names of others. Your example reinforces their point.

Only on these forums, since they are the rules of these forums. But I am free to have, for example a personal blog or site where I upload my XIV party chat discussions or in game battle logs. It's similar to streaming a game: you're not just streaming your own character, but everyone you're playing with.

[NephthysVasudan]

Well this thread certainly made me sit back and stare/research. Oddly enough FFlogs seems to be broken on my char (And I'm content with that :P ) - My 2 cents is this.
Tanks are supposed to tank. Period.
Healers are supposed to heal. Period.
DPS - need I say more?

If the tanks and healers can dps - great...bonus.

The only time this isn't the case - is if the following is true: Extra Tank on the field (like Raids/or multi Tank situations) - Party doing so well that healers are not needing to heal as much.
Now I can get Extremes/Ultimate having a unique situation where the tank needs to do something different. But in all honesty it depends on the party.
Bottom line - if you get yelled at for some stupid ass log saying abc and is not up to the standards of some random idiot....report them and walk away.
SE doesn't give a crap about what your logs say - what they do care about is you are not hindering the experience. So long as you are doing your job at its basic form - and the party is getting the job done...you should NEVER be kicked for that. What happens in the end is not known - but this much I have found out on my own. Perfectionism is not SE's MO - unless your doing Extreme/Savage/Ultimate that are seriously unforgiving - but that impacts everyone.

honestly I'm against this parser crap - It leads to opinionated elitist morons who judgmentally condemn random players. Yes - I don't deny that it can help greatly for players who need the help - but its akin to being utterly discriminatory. I have a mentor who uses one - and he's ALWAYS constructive. I'd say he's the exception to the rule. Unless you attack him - then he's got ammo lol. (very experienced and knows his stuff)

Thankfully I've not encountered this myself - I will say that being honest about "being a sucky player" up front tends to remove the tension - that way if you get yelled at...they are the idiots...not you.
I see this ALOT.

Not sure if what I said made sense....and honestly people who think otherwise can jump off a virtual cliff cause I play for fun and enjoyment...not for the speedrun addicts. (Pull more! (healer says this and promptly dies afterwards....yep..been there done that))

[akaneakki]

Well if this is actually true then there needs to be some changes. Tank Stance exists for a reason and when it becomes useless balance is wrong.

What? You don't need tank stance when the damage isn't that big. Auto attacks barely hits you for anything. There is TOO MITIGATION and TOO MUCH heal. Then you have the thing thats in between.

[Shurrikhan]

Well this thread certainly made me sit back and stare/research. Oddly enough FFlogs seems to be broken on my char (And I'm content with that :P ) - My 2 cents is this.
Tanks are supposed to tank. Period.
Healers are supposed to heal. Period.
DPS - need I say more?

Each "role" is no more than "having point" on and the superior efficiency to do something. If that person can still do it, then because they are more efficient, you let them. You are not, however, free from concerns of party or personal survival just because you are not specialized for mitigation or restoration. Nor are a third or more of your abilities ornaments on a tank or healer.

It makes sense in a siege shooter that you'd have the guy with the shotgun or SMG breach. That doesn't mean he does nothing else. One guy you really don't want to have die first may be carrying the medpacks. That doesn't mean medpacks are his only responsibility.

Stop mistaking specialization for an exhaustive job description. Stop.