Tank dps harrasment

[Hannia]

I know that this is a touchy subject, but what is with the mindset of everyone expecting tanks to do more dps? I got kicked out of a dungeon recently because I wasn't tanking in sword oath and because of that I wasn't doing enough dps to stay in the dungeon I guess. Yesterday, I was removed out of a hunt group killing A/S ranks because I was tanking in shield oath also. Why are tanks expected to tank in sword oath now for even the most casual content? Why are tanks in general expected to do "X dps"? Another thing, can I report people for harassing me for my status on FFXIV logs? Apparently I'm not "good enough to farm Shinryu" yet I have the dog and 9 of the weapons. All I want to do is tank a freaking dragon and have a shot at the scale but because FFXIV logs says I'm "Bad" I guess I cant. I feel like I cant even play the game anymore because of how toxic the community has become.

[Hannia]

To clarify when I ask "why are tanks expected to do "X DPS" I don't mean why cant I just spam a button to hold hate I mean why am I expected to do say 3.5k dps in a dungeon or I get kicked.

[HyoMinPark]

To clarify when I ask "why are tanks expected to do "X DPS" I don't mean why cant I just spam a button to hold hate I mean why am I expected to do say 3.5k dps in a dungeon or I get kicked.

Nobody really expects tanks to pull 3~3.5k DPS in dungeons. I can’t say I’ve ever encountered any individuals that advocate for tanks to tank things in their DPS stances when in dungeons or “easy mode” 8-mans/trials, or even 24-mans. And I’m closing in on the 5,000 instanced raids/duties achievement (so I’ve done A LOT of content). Because rDPS, in those instances, typically doesn’t matter, because a lot of the bosses don’t even have enrages, so there’s no need to pull 99th percentile numbers in Skalla (there are exceptions with some of the 24-man bosses though, and the 8-man bosses do have enrages, though the check is way more lenient than in Savage/Ex).

Only in Savage and Ex trials will you find people pushing for tanks to really drop their stance, and focus on contributing to the rDPS. But, again, I’ve rarely encountered anyone who tells the MT to drop their stance and start tanking in DPS stance. It’s anecdotal, of course, but I really cannot recall ever seeing anyone complain about this outside of a static setting. In those settings, it comes from the group wanting everyone to put forth as much effort as they can to kill the boss faster, meet checks, and/or push their jobs to the limit.

Personally speaking, I don’t tank much, but when I do, I drop stance. Because there isn’t much reason outside of mass pulls in dungeons to have your stance on—purely because the bosses typically don’t hit hard enough to warrant it. Proper management of your enmity, the DPS’ enmity, and proper provoke/shirking from your co-tank provide that you should never lose aggro, so why not throw out some extra damage while you’re at it? I don’t expect every tank to do it, and, again, I rarely see other people call out other tanks for “tanking in Shield” or “tanking in Defiance” the “entire time” of a raid.

Most hardcore raiders really don’t care what tanks do in dungeons or even 8-mans or 24-mans. They only care about what the tanks in their statics do. Sure, there are twats out there that consider themselves “hardcore”, but I feel like most serious raiders really don’t care.

[BigRed5392]

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count yourself lucky, my GF gets a lot of flack in content for not stance dancing as a drk and when she was a pld. She got a lot of harassment for every lil thing ppl felt she did wrong,
even though she was new to the content, and trying her best to work with her group.

Like i may have told you before, her first amdapor keep run, a healer felt the need to insult her for not speed pulling, even though my g/f stated her wasn't on par for it and it was her first time. (she said it was her first time at start as well) the healer reemed into about watching a video, which my gf replied she had no access to a pc, which the healer tried to retort with then use your smartphone, which my g/f said she had none (she didn't) which the healer tried to call her a liar, claiming she wants ti get carried.

whm ended up pulling for my g.f who was left not knowing what to do. :/ she just was running ak for the relic quest.

[BigRed5392]

it stems from alex gordias, if people are saying "kick cuz numbers said you suck" you can report it as vote kick abuse as they are miss-using their parser. I personally rather tank be in tank stance, its the dps's job to deal the dps.

If you are skilled and able to tank in sword oath, more power to you. I fully understand your plight, my g/f is a tank and no matter what she gets harassed. :/ She doesn't bother anyone, and tries her best to work with her group.

idk why ppl want tanks in dps in shinryu, he does a lot of tank busters/unavoidable damage in normal.. can't imagine shin ex

[Elspath]

Sounds like the same group of people that expected Healers to DPS because.... of reasons?

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and you never loose hate then a tank has done there job, to hell with those thinking anything. Espeshelly dpsers who will never tank because they dont get there number high -laughs-

I am a full time Main tank and Healer. I will block anyone that starts complaining saying im not doing enough dps on either. They can go find another group and go back waiting in there long ass Q

[Saint_Angeles]

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer does super low DPS and takes 35 minutes

-OR-

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer help with DPS and takes 15 minutes

WHICH ONES BETTER?

I hate this whole false dichotomy where it's portrayed as only possible for a Healer or Tank to do their jobs if they completely neglect DPSing. There are PLENTY of talented Healers\Tanks who do both just fine. If you aren't one, it isn't on the community to pat you on the head and give you points for trying, it's on you to improve.

Or be stubborn and childish and drop party. Honestly, do that. Chances are we'll get a better replacement.

[Khemorex]

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer does super low DPS and takes 35 minutes

-OR-

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer help with DPS and takes 15 minutes

WHICH ONES BETTER?

I hate this whole false dichotomy where it's portrayed as only possible for a Healer or Tank to do their jobs if they completely neglect DPSing. There are PLENTY of talented Healers\Tanks who do both just fine. If you aren't one, it isn't on the community to pat you on the head and give you points for trying, it's on you to improve.

Or be stubborn and childish and drop party. Honestly, do that. Chances are we'll get a better replacement.

oh then id prefer the 35 min because id help a new player to have fun in the game
id rather not have a 15 min run , where no one talks and the tank runs around like some hyperactive ADHD child XD

[Mavrias]

oh then id prefer the 35 min because id help a new player to have fun in the game
id rather not have a 15 min run , where no one talks and the tank runs around like some hyperactive ADHD child XD

Who said anything about a new player? And who says you cant talk during fast dungeon runs?

[CaTi]

Who said anything about a new player? And who says you cant talk during fast dungeon runs?

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