Tank dps harrasment

[MeridaQ]

After reading through this I asked a bunch of friends and no one has ever been in parties where people were kicked because of parsing. The closest I have seen is in a dungeon a dps was complaining about how slow it was and that the other dps was crap. I was the tank I told them to stop and then gave them both advice on rotation. The non-complaining dps was doing more damage even before the advice. From my experience all this fear seems unwarranted sure it sometimes happens. I have been playing since Titan Ex was current, I raid and pug often savages and extremes. The only time I hear about parser abuse is on the forum. If it is so uncommon deal with it then and there, this is no different than any abuse.If you want to use FFlogs to better yourself it is there to be used. That is how I improve, I study better players rotations and learn from them. I do it for personal improvement not to show off to other people in my community or belittle anyone.

TLDR: Don't worry so much about if someone is parsing or if you are being judged on said parses. Most people don't care they are focusing on improving themselves.

[Taika]

TLDR: Don't worry so much about if someone is parsing or if you are being judged on said parses. Most people don't care they are focusing on improving themselves.

Exactly. It's like the people on this thread have created some kind of a parser/FFlogs boogeyman that's out there to kick people from groups and preventing them from joining them in the first place, but in reality it's extremely rare that happens.

Today I actually used FFlogs when we were trying to get our last FC member his OS4 clear. He had been trying it for the whole weekend and 8 hours only today, so we decided to skip Ultimate and use our event time to help him instead. We were only missing 2 people so whenever someone joined, I checked their logs and also asked them how experienced they were with the fight. On the first round we didn't exclude anyone (although we ended up kicking a person for killing us 3 or 4 times in GCO with allagan field). On second round, we had a DD join and when I checked them, I noticed they only had 1 kill for each OS1-OS3, really low rank in all. So I asked how experienced they were with the fight, if there was a reason they had so few kills, and if they had a clue about their normal DPS in the fight. Instead of answering my questions, the guy said "sorry, I gtg, something came up irl". Now it may be that they weren't really up for the fight and decided to back away when they were asked about it. Or it may be they felt like I had no right checking him and wanted to leave because of that. Either way, I doubt we would have made a good match with them. And after my filtering, we ended up getting 2 great people and beat the fight on the 2nd try, so it seemed to pay off...

In general, for situations like these, when you're trying to clear a somewhat difficult fight where you need high enough performance from every single party member, FFlogs can be really helpful. Of course I don't think it's a good idea to kick someone based on their logs without talking to them, so if you notice someone joining and they seem to have a very low performance history from multiple fights and kills, you can ask them if there's a reason for that, and if they believe they can meet the requirements of the fight well enough now. And then again, if you can see that the person has been able to clear the fight successfully without dying once in the past, even if their DPS has been a bit low, that itself is a good enough recommendation for me. I just wish people wouldn't be so spooked about it - after all, the numbers and ratings aren't based on anything but your objective performance at some point, and you can always improve them. And also, it's important to remember that people are people and not numbers - when looking at a person's ratings, also talk to them and give them a chance if they truly believe they can do what you're asking.