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    Xerek's Avatar
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    Alexandr Nocturne
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    FFLogs should be opt-in, not opt-out. Nobody should have access without concent. For people using it for personal improvement, great. You only need your stats for that.

    However, that won't help much. In cases where people check logs, if they see your info hidden, they'll assume the worst, and/or ask you to unhide it. FFLogs could instead not display hidden as hidden, but rather as no available logs. If they did, people might just interpret that as hidden or no clears and still assume the worst. You could ask FFLogs to only store the data of the person uploading, but then you lose the ability to compare and replay, rendering it useless anyway.

    So, basically, there is no middle ground. Just a matter of keeping things as-is, or scrapping FFLogs outright. Comes down to a question of whether it does more harm or good.
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    Miste's Avatar
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    Miste Vaer
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    Excalibur
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerek View Post
    In cases where people check logs, if they see your info hidden, they'll assume the worst, and/or ask you to unhide it. FFLogs could instead not display hidden as hidden, but rather as no available logs. If they did, people might just interpret that as hidden or no clears and still assume the worst.
    If someone assumes the worst over it and doesn't even give you a chance then why would you want to play with someone like that anyway? Seems to me they would be doing you a favour.
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerek View Post
    However, that won't help much. In cases where people check logs, if they see your info hidden, they'll assume the worst, and/or ask you to unhide it. FFLogs could instead not display hidden as hidden, but rather as no available logs. If they did, people might just interpret that as hidden or no clears and still assume the worst. You could ask FFLogs to only store the data of the person uploading, but then you lose the ability to compare and replay, rendering it useless anyway.
    This wouldn't change anything except leading to people getting kicked after a few runs since now the only way to tell would be bringing them along and parsing. No matter what solution you attempt, you cannot force people to play with others. Better players don't necessarily want to play with people several steps below their skill level, and that is entirely within their prerogative.

    You know what else would help? Having some accountability. Time and again I see people whine over how detriment and "toxic" FFlogs are; that the mere idea someone is able to objective analysis your performance when in a group setting is awful. What if, you got better? There will always be some asshat who loses their mind or a simple mistake or two but actually good players don't care nearly to the extent their presumed to. They do care about having their time wasted.
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