Tank dps harrasment

[HoodRat]

casual vs raid tier

It's not that black and white, there is plenty of middle ground. Let me refer you back to my earlier comment of

Except it's not about having "Savage skill level," it's about actually putting in effort. I'll never understand why people think actually trying means they have to be top 10%.

[Hayward]

It's not that black and white, there is plenty of middle ground. Let me refer you back to my earlier comment of

Let's cut the BS. "Putting in effort" means doing YOUR job well enough to get things done. Don't try to foist this MLG-speak on people who don't give a toss about raids or raiders. This tank did her job and did it well, and some jacka$$ decides cut a promo on her for not being a tryhard. That garbage is why players have a negative attitude toward raiders, period.

[HoodRat]

Let's cut the BS. "Putting in effort" means doing YOUR job well enough to get things done. Don't try to foist this MLG-speak on people who don't give a toss about raids or raiders. This tank did her job and did it well, and some jacka$$ decides cut a promo on her for not being a tryhard. That garbage is why players have a negative attitude toward raiders, period.

Remind me not to play tic-tac-toe with you.

[Xerek]

Remind me not to play tic-tac-toe with you.

Yes, because FF XIV is a turn-based game no more complex then tic-tac-toe. Going to compare it to pong next? :eyeroll:

[Hayward]

Remind me not to play tic-tac-toe with you.

That meme doesn't fly with me or any other person who isn't a wannabe MLG'er. I and others who play tank jobs as intended aren't quite as interested in our damage as in our ability to survive while doing what damage we can within our intended role. That doesn't come even close to warranting some jerk (who likely doesn't have DRK unlocked, much less touched Gladiator or Marauder) heaping abuse at a tank doing his/her job right. Have a seat, hotshot.

[Miste]

Let's cut the BS. "Putting in effort" means doing YOUR job well enough to get things done. Don't try to foist this MLG-speak on people who don't give a toss about raids or raiders. This tank did her job and did it well, and some jacka$$ decides cut a promo on her for not being a tryhard. That garbage is why players have a negative attitude toward raiders, period.

Simply dropping tank stance on bosses in Expert Roulette is not "try hard". It is actually not that much different than just using tank stance and it is quite easy to get used to in my opinion.

You just open in tank stance, obtain solid hate, then switch to DPS stance and cycle your cooldowns to avoid taking too much damage. If you notice DPS are creeping on you then you make proper judgement on using more hate combo or if you need to go back into tank stance or not; also if the healer is new or seems to be struggling for any reason it is fine to stay in tank stance. The bosses generally don't do enough damage to need tank stance.

I mean if you can do your main role of tanking also while DPSing for more why wouldn't you do it? It's beneficial for everyone. I am not saying it is okay to harass a tank not doing it or kick them, because I think that is way overboard and not necessary in a dungeon, but I see nothing wrong with advocating more beneficial play styles and putting in the effort to try new ways of playing that would be beneficial for everyone.

[Xerek]

Simply dropping tank stance on bosses in Expert Roulette is not "try hard". It is actually not that much different than just using tank stance and it is quite easy to get used to in my opinion.

You just open in tank stance, obtain solid hate, then switch to DPS stance and cycle your cooldowns to avoid taking too much damage. If you notice DPS are creeping on you then you make proper judgement on using more hate combo or if you need to go back into tank stance or not; also if the healer is new or seems to be struggling for any reason it is fine to stay in tank stance. The bosses generally don't do enough damage to need tank stance.

I mean if you can do your main role of tanking also while DPSing for more why wouldn't you do it? It's beneficial for everyone. I am not saying it is okay to harass a tank not doing it or kick them, because I think that is way overboard and not necessary in a dungeon, but I see nothing wrong with advocating more beneficial play styles and putting in the effort to try new ways of playing that would be beneficial for everyone.

The discussion here isn't whether or not you should do it casual content, it's whether people should catch grief for not doing so.

I'm an AST that DPSs like mad in dungeons. But that's because I can. Despite that, if I'm running it as tank or dps and I pull a healer that only DPSs a little or not at all, I'm not going to attack them for it. It's casual content. Same applies to tanks in casual content that stays in tank stance, or only does smaller pulls when I tell them I can heal through large pulls.

[Miste]

The discussion here isn't whether or not you should do it casual content, it's whether people should catch grief for not doing so.

I think you missed part of what I wrote? I already said in that post that I don't agree with harassing or kicking a tank over not doing it in dungeons. I was specifically replying to him because he said it was "try hard" to utilize your DPS stance on a tank.

I want to hear from end game healers on dropping tank stance. Does it put extra stress on you in DF or PF? Do you expect the tank to dps stance and are prepared for it healing wise with zero communication? Would you rather the tank stay in tank stance?

I’ve only dabbled in shinex and that damage is real.

End game healers are generally used to it. If you do savage it is almost a natural state to heal tanks in DPS stances. You learn to adjust and learn what you need to do to make sure they get the healing they need, but it is also the tank's responsibility to make sure they use their cooldowns properly as well since healers also need to find time to DPS to help the group as well.

[Shurrikhan]

Let's cut the BS. "Putting in effort" means doing YOUR job well enough to get things done. Don't try to foist this MLG-speak on people who don't give a toss about raids or raiders. This tank did her job and did it well, and some jacka$$ decides cut a promo on her for not being a tryhard. That garbage is why players have a negative attitude toward raiders, period.

All players have the same job -- to make whatever their doing as quick as possible. That's why you take a healer or tank in the first place. Among three other basically equally skilled players can make a bigger difference to clear time on your healer job than on your tank or DPS, then you are better able to perform your job on your healer than on your tank or dps. It's really quite simple.

Now, some jobs -- like tanks or healer, free up a whole lot more time with even minimal effort than, say, a DPS. But that doesn't mean that you have nothing more to contribute. If they were in your shoes, could they go faster. If yes, and you're not playing to the fullest, then you're still doing less than they are. We're not as likely to care if a healer or tank aren't maximizing their potential because they're already drastically more efficient choices (relative to doing a no-tank or no-healer run), but that doesn't mean they cannot or should not be asked to play to their fullest (as a character with x gear and y job and a player with x experience and y level of comfort). That's their job. To perform. The role is just a division of smaller responsibilities therein. The goal is always content completion, and the only spectrum there is clear speed.