Tank dps harrasment

[Arkturius]

No it is off an entire weekend of harassment over the same thing in the time of 3 days constantly. I know what sometimes you run into a troll group every so often, but it just got out of hand after the 2nd day of dealing with it. Oh btw before anyone says that I was doing something else that had to be reason I got kicked, I was NOT! EVERY group that kicked me complained about the same thing "why are you tanking in shield oath" (side note it was almost always a dps complaining about 90% of the time however I had a healer complaining 2 or 3 times over the corse of the weekend)

Thats an issue and clearly your the problem if its consistent i suggest practice if not then you will probably keep getting kicked and have to deal with it

[LalaRu]

I did tanked every PUG always in Shield and never got any problem.

Some parts of the day are filled with raging kids that treats everything as it is savage content, sastasha included, maybe you got bad luck and were playing in that hours and got some of them, it happens. You are a tank, so just shrug it off and requeue.

People can kick you out for any silly reason, just don't make it a personal thing and go forward. Requeue is the way. And if you think some inappropriate behaviour happened, just report it and you're done.

You can think about "git gut" when you want go to raiding savage. For everything else, just enjoy the game and don't care whoever asks you to be in savage skill level outside the savage content.

[Hannia]

I did tanked every PUG always in Shield and never got any problem.

Some parts of the day are filled with raging kids that treats everything as it is savage content, sastasha included, maybe you got bad luck and were playing in that hours and got some of them, it happens. You are a tank, so just shrug it off and requeue.

People can kick you out for any silly reason, just don't make it a personal thing and go forward. Requeue is the way. And if you think some inappropriate behaviour happened, just report it and you're done.

You can think about "git gut" when you want go to raiding savage. For everything else, just enjoy the game and don't care whoever asks you to be in savage skill level outside the savage content.

I think this is what I'm going to do thanks.

[HoodRat]

You can think about "git gut" when you want go to raiding savage. For everything else, just enjoy the game and don't care whoever asks you to be in savage skill level outside the savage content.

Except it's not about having "Savage skill level," it's about actually putting in effort. I'll never understand why people think actually trying means they have to be top 10%.

[Lilseph]

Honestly, OP, when facing these situations in DF, I only say something about it if I am on healer. The DPS, unless they are friends with the healer, have no right to tell the tank what to do. They can *suggest*, but never force. However, the healer's opinion should weight heavier over the DPS'.


I rarely tank in tank stance in boss fights. Only initially and to build some aggro before switching, but when playing as a healer, people can do what I do:

-Me: Hey everyone. It's okay to do big pulls.
Observation: If they do, GG. You are not sure about the party's potential until you give it a shot. If they don't, carry on and do your best to speed things up on your end (Healer DPS for instance).

-Me: You can drop your tank stance in boss fights. I gotchu, don't worry.
Observation: Same as above.

Kicking someone over it is acceptable ToS-wise, since it falls under the category of "different playstyles". Mentioning the use of parsers is clearly punisheable. If they don't, and if the majority agrees, you'll be dismissed from the instance.

People should try to negotiate with the conflicted parts before starting a vote kick. We, as players, for better or worse, should also learn how to be flexible and adapt to what the majority wants. If we disagree with them, we may as well either leave or find a group with the same mindset.

Both tank and healer DPS is a thing for some folks. Again, as I (and pretty much almost everyone mentioned), forcing that attitude in DF for casual content is kinda unrealistic.

[Avatre]

Now, before I get too into it, no I do NOT condone the kicking of a tank because they are in their tank stance the whole time(I stick to tank stance around 90% of the time, and rarely drop Grit, or go into Sword Oath).

There is one thing that I haven't(and sorry if I missed it, I've only partially been paying attention to this thread) seen, and that's what the interactions were like. 9/10 when someone gets kicked from a group, it's because of toxic behaviour. The way you say something can definitely influence it, but very very VERY rarely do I see someone kicked for their numbers(actually, I've NEVER seen it). And without context(as I said, I didn't see it in this thread) it's really hard to say if that could have been a factor in the OP being removed.

[Arkturius]

Now, before I get too into it, no I do NOT condone the kicking of a tank because they are in their tank stance the whole time(I stick to tank stance around 90% of the time, and rarely drop Grit, or go into Sword Oath).

There is one thing that I haven't(and sorry if I missed it, I've only partially been paying attention to this thread) seen, and that's what the interactions were like. 9/10 when someone gets kicked from a group, it's because of toxic behaviour. The way you say something can definitely influence it, but very very VERY rarely do I see someone kicked for their numbers(actually, I've NEVER seen it). And without context(as I said, I didn't see it in this thread) it's really hard to say if that could have been a factor in the OP being removed.

Main issue is tank stance is pretty worthless /redundant nowadays

[DeaconMoore]

Main issue is tank stance is pretty worthless /redundant nowadays

Not really. When you drop tank stance as the MT you're putting more pressure on the rest of the group. Dps can't afford not to watch their threat, healers end up spending more time healing you than dpsing themselves, and if things go south and you mess up not going back into tank stance in time thx to gcd or whatever for a tank buster, or you along with the dps eat some unavoidable aoe dmg, dps are more likely to die if the healer (s) are busy trying to keep you alive as a result.

I like seeing big numbers next to my name as much as anyone else but chasing big dps numbers isn't the tanks job. That's just icing on the cake for them.

[Lilseph]

Not really. When you drop tank stance as the MT you're putting more pressure on the rest of the group.

I play healer and this is not true in Expert. It doesn't put any pressure and I can DPS just fine. A tank that knows how to swap stances will have their aggro sorted out. Ultimately, DPS jobs have aggro managing skills.

Yes, accidents can happen, but it's not as bad as you make it look. Some people might make mistakes but some of them are also learning, which implies that they will f*** up at some point.

[Mavrias]

Not really. When you drop tank stance as the MT you're putting more pressure on the rest of the group. Dps can't afford not to watch their threat, healers end up spending more time healing you than dpsing themselves, and if things go south and you mess up not going back into tank stance in time thx to gcd or whatever for a tank buster, or you along with the dps eat some unavoidable aoe dmg, dps are more likely to die if the healer (s) are busy trying to keep you alive as a result.

You put next to no extra pressure on the group if you know what you're doing. Smart cooldown usage, knowing when busters or heavy hits are coming, self healing, all make you functionally no different than a tank in tank stance to your healers.

DPS should be appropriately managing their threat in the first place (threat drops, diversion) but you should also know when you need to throw in an extra hate combo or swap back into stance to regain more of a hate lead.