Tank dps harrasment

[Xerek]

How about we just let other players play how they want to unless they are actively impeding your experience? Live and let live? And no, tanks staying in tank stance in an expert dungeon is not an active impediment. If anything, it's a slight delay in how fast you down a boss. I'm talking healers Rescuing you into fire, dead players not acceptibg raises, players deliberately missing mechanics, etc.

This pretty much sums it up perfectly.

[MoroMurasaki]

How about we just let other players play how they want to unless they are actively impeding your experience? Live and let live? And no, tanks staying in tank stance in an expert dungeon is not an active impediment. If anything, it's a slight delay in how fast you down a boss. I'm talking healers Rescuing you into fire, dead players not acceptibg raises, players deliberately missing mechanics, etc.

Yeah!

Like a ThunderMage, or a RDM who never melees.... Or a PLD who only flashes.... Or an AST who never uses cards........ Or a SCH/SMN with no pet........

I mean where do you guys draw the line, honestly? Do you even have one?

The way threads like these split into multiple topics with multiple arguments over several issues makes me want to make a debate thread lol. At least once a month, we have these lively debates.

I 100% agree.

[Xerek]

I mean where do you guys draw the line, honestly? Do you even have one?

If you're asking that, it's clear you didn't read my prior reply. A PLD that only flashes is a far cry from a PLD that doesn't drop into DPS for dungeon bosses. For me, as long as the others in my casual content party can do their roles properly and are doing their best, I am fine if a tank stays in tank stance or a healer doesn't DPS. I am not going to attack them over it.

[HoodRat]

If you're asking that, it's clear you didn't read my prior reply. A PLD that only flashes is a far cry from a PLD that doesn't drop into DPS for dungeon bosses. For me, as long as the others in my casual content party can do their roles properly and are doing their best, I am fine if a tank stays in tank stance or a healer doesn't DPS. I am not going to attack them over it.

So we're at "asking people to put in more effort is attacking them" now?

[Sunhwapark]

an AST who never uses cards.....

Sadly there are these kinds of players that exist in eorzea, people trying to clear O4S without putting in... i guess the buzz word of this thread could be... 'effort'.

Astrologians who are mentally glamoured White Mages and have never used the spells:

• Lightspeed
• Draw
• Synastry
• Malefic & Combust
• Collective Unconcious
• Earthly Star

Are very often the same ones who are quick to bash white mages saying the job is 'too easy', but it's clear as crystal that they are definitely over-estimating their own ability to play astrologian at all if they're pretending to be an astro that has been force synced to below level 30, in level 70 savage content where the card system/stances and everything else practically doesn't exist, playing whitemagewithnewicons 2.0. I guess this sort of thing drives me up the wall personally but there isn't really much that can be done about this, even if you try to question the behaviour. Even giving advice to some people can be dangerous it seems, some people are accepting of it and others lash out at you - this thread's various replies and comments kind of resonate the sort of responses you may get when talking to players regarding improvement.

In a raid setting, I suppose i feel as though it would be burdensome to try and contest against 7 other players if they raised the issue or even suggested that i may not be performing on a team level at all, although in reality i would try to comply with their standards - and if i am not up to that level, i am going to try to improve my skill, via 'effort' and try again. People tend to assume that you have to be ultimate elite try-hard to clear the harder content(ex primals/savage), but to be honest... it really isn't that - it is honestly about putting in portions of effort to build upon their ability to play - as that gold logs dragoon fellow had mentioned. I personally believe that each player should just try to bring everything they can to the table, not just for yourself but for their team too.

I don't really have anything of much value to add to this thread sadly-just wanted to dump a bit of salt into the pile regarding 'bare minimum' players, but i'd just like to mention it's been a very funny thread, with all the several sub topics being battled for/against and an interesting read at that. Although tbh OP, if you kept getting kicked from shinryu EX, you could have made your own PF, because then you dictate the rules somewhat and you can't get kicked if you're the leader, i guess..? Just to add - Personally i am lazy in anything outside of savage/ex, so people can RP blizzard wizard black mages or whatever. :P

[Awful]

I love how just putting effort in means that this is toxic instead of sitting there spamming your 1-2-3 threat combo you can use the other 90% of your toolkit and contribute, that goes without saying there's many other players like DPS that don't use their AoEs, healers that use 2 buttons and none of their buffs. If i'm putting the effort in as a tank and i'm outdpsing the DPS then they have failed their job and I did mine, all i'm asking for is people try regardless of the class they're on.

[Alash]

Because if you aren't pulling those kinds of numbers you aren't playing as well as you could be.

[Fhaerron]

Actually, I was harassed for doing DPS as a tank.

Also for using Direct Hit & Strength gems on my gear.

For adds I'm always in Shield Oath because I like to pull many together. I only use flash when running trough them and 2 more times when I've rounded everything up and then just use Fight or Flight and spam Total Eclipse, when 3 or less enemies I finish them off with Royal Authority combos or Goring Blade if they are going to live for 6+ seconds and alternate my buffs of course.

On boss I rush in with Shield Throw > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Fight or Flight / Goring Blade. 2 times RoG and weave in CoS & SW between GCD's and a last GB to get a new full effect duration running with the last 3 seconds of FoF.
After this I do 2 more RoG and then I change to Sword Oath, Refresh GB and then use requisecat and spam HS untill MP runs out, refresh GB and spam RA.

Now the player harassing me was a DPS player. First he said why I was using Sword Oath this was during a boss fight so I didn't really responded, then after boss was dead he was asking why I was using 'DPS' gems and that these are for DPS jobs and that I should learn H2P and use 'tank' gems and that I was doing more DPS then him because I was in DPS stance so healer had to heal me more and so couldn't heal him and he died (he died multiple times from AoE puddles and pretty much failed every single mechanic).

The healer had no trouble to keep me alive and didn't complained (even had time to DPS too) and I never lost emnity. I try to do as much DPS as possible to speed up things but apparently I did something wrong?

[MoroMurasaki]

Actually, I was harassed for doing DPS as a tank.

Oh look guys, it's a tank that knows how to do a good job.

Seriously, after some of this conversation I had started to lose faith that they were out there.

The idea that someone would ask you to remove the most effective materia for your job is just crazy to me. That's like asking me to remove all my Crit materia for my healer gear and meld Piety, why would I ever want to do that?

Also nice to see you on the forums!

[akaneakki]

Actually, I was harassed for doing DPS as a tank.?

I was told once to heal the tank when I dpsed a lot and he dropped below 30% like 1 time before the boss, then I had to spam heal because he didn't use cd, but I still managed to dps.Too many people don't know shit in this game and I'm glad you know how to tank

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Most tanks who are just average doesn't care about DPS. Not for themselves only but as a whole group. I cant count how many times a tank move boss to AOE circles where no melees couldn't hit it including the tanks, while you simply could move it before they land on the platform on the boss arena. This is like a impossible tanks for most tanks honestly...