Tank dps harrasment

[SenorPatty]

Blind post here.

Hannia, I hope your callout to "toxic dps community" isn't based only on those two experiences. Because you haven't said anything of the likes of getting dealt a bad hand consistently, I can't see how getting kicked twice suddenly turns your view that the community is all about tank dps and they're bad for it.

[Hannia]

I know that this is a touchy subject, but what is with the mindset of everyone expecting tanks to do more dps? I got kicked out of a dungeon recently because I wasn't tanking in sword oath and because of that I wasn't doing enough dps to stay in the dungeon I guess. Yesterday, I was removed out of a hunt group killing A/S ranks because I was tanking in shield oath also. Why are tanks expected to tank in sword oath now for even the most casual content? Why are tanks in general expected to do "X dps"? Another thing, can I report people for harassing me for my status on FFXIV logs?

Just incase someone comes back and says "I never asked the questions that I said I asked".

[HoodRat]

Just incase someone comes back and says "I never asked the questions that I said I asked".

No one is saying you haven't asked the question. But it's been answered, multiple times.

[Hannia]

Blind post here.

Hannia, I hope your callout to "toxic dps community" isn't based only on those two experiences. Because you haven't said anything of the likes of getting dealt a bad hand consistently, I can't see how getting kicked twice suddenly turns your view that the community is all about tank dps and they're bad for it.

No it is off an entire weekend of harassment over the same thing in the time of 3 days constantly. I know what sometimes you run into a troll group every so often, but it just got out of hand after the 2nd day of dealing with it. Oh btw before anyone says that I was doing something else that had to be reason I got kicked, I was NOT! EVERY group that kicked me complained about the same thing "why are you tanking in shield oath" (side note it was almost always a dps complaining about 90% of the time however I had a healer complaining 2 or 3 times over the corse of the weekend)

[Arkturius]

No it is off an entire weekend of harassment over the same thing in the time of 3 days constantly. I know what sometimes you run into a troll group every so often, but it just got out of hand after the 2nd day of dealing with it. Oh btw before anyone says that I was doing something else that had to be reason I got kicked, I was NOT! EVERY group that kicked me complained about the same thing "why are you tanking in shield oath" (side note it was almost always a dps complaining about 90% of the time however I had a healer complaining 2 or 3 times over the corse of the weekend)

Thats an issue and clearly your the problem if its consistent i suggest practice if not then you will probably keep getting kicked and have to deal with it

[LalaRu]

I did tanked every PUG always in Shield and never got any problem.

Some parts of the day are filled with raging kids that treats everything as it is savage content, sastasha included, maybe you got bad luck and were playing in that hours and got some of them, it happens. You are a tank, so just shrug it off and requeue.

People can kick you out for any silly reason, just don't make it a personal thing and go forward. Requeue is the way. And if you think some inappropriate behaviour happened, just report it and you're done.

You can think about "git gut" when you want go to raiding savage. For everything else, just enjoy the game and don't care whoever asks you to be in savage skill level outside the savage content.

[Hannia]

I did tanked every PUG always in Shield and never got any problem.

Some parts of the day are filled with raging kids that treats everything as it is savage content, sastasha included, maybe you got bad luck and were playing in that hours and got some of them, it happens. You are a tank, so just shrug it off and requeue.

People can kick you out for any silly reason, just don't make it a personal thing and go forward. Requeue is the way. And if you think some inappropriate behaviour happened, just report it and you're done.

You can think about "git gut" when you want go to raiding savage. For everything else, just enjoy the game and don't care whoever asks you to be in savage skill level outside the savage content.

I think this is what I'm going to do thanks.

[Taika]

Real talk, you are not good enough to FARM Shinryu. Can you clear it? Sure you can, the fight is quite easy and doesn't require 100% effort from everyone. But what is a problem specifically for FARM parties is that other people have to work extra hard to make up for what you are not bringing to the table.

This is a great point about PF content in general. Pugging extremes and Savages for the first time in SB, I've noticed that me and the people I play with are a lot more careful about the parties we join than a lot of people seem to be. Joining a group you're not ready for brings nothing but trouble (for both you and the party), so people should really estimate their own abilities more carefully. Having cleared something once, or even multiple times, does not necessarily mean you're ready to join a farm party, and sometimes it's much better to first work on your confidence with mechanics and your rotation optimisation in last phase practice or first clear parties - especially if you notice that all your recorded wins have shown extremely low performance compared to other players with same job in that fight.

[HoodRat]

You can think about "git gut" when you want go to raiding savage. For everything else, just enjoy the game and don't care whoever asks you to be in savage skill level outside the savage content.

Except it's not about having "Savage skill level," it's about actually putting in effort. I'll never understand why people think actually trying means they have to be top 10%.

[Lilseph]

Honestly, OP, when facing these situations in DF, I only say something about it if I am on healer. The DPS, unless they are friends with the healer, have no right to tell the tank what to do. They can *suggest*, but never force. However, the healer's opinion should weight heavier over the DPS'.


I rarely tank in tank stance in boss fights. Only initially and to build some aggro before switching, but when playing as a healer, people can do what I do:

-Me: Hey everyone. It's okay to do big pulls.
Observation: If they do, GG. You are not sure about the party's potential until you give it a shot. If they don't, carry on and do your best to speed things up on your end (Healer DPS for instance).

-Me: You can drop your tank stance in boss fights. I gotchu, don't worry.
Observation: Same as above.

Kicking someone over it is acceptable ToS-wise, since it falls under the category of "different playstyles". Mentioning the use of parsers is clearly punisheable. If they don't, and if the majority agrees, you'll be dismissed from the instance.

People should try to negotiate with the conflicted parts before starting a vote kick. We, as players, for better or worse, should also learn how to be flexible and adapt to what the majority wants. If we disagree with them, we may as well either leave or find a group with the same mindset.

Both tank and healer DPS is a thing for some folks. Again, as I (and pretty much almost everyone mentioned), forcing that attitude in DF for casual content is kinda unrealistic.