SAM out classing all other DPS

[Lelila38]

If you nerf Sam then what the point of bringing a samurai when you can bring ninja which offer slashing debuff and trick attack!?!?!?!?!?! Ever think of that!?!?!? Ninja dps is pretty close to samurai if they got nerfed you can just delete samurai lol

Most people don't want Sam to be nerfed, by all rights it should be strongest. Problem is just how much stronger than every other job it is. Personally I'd like Sam still to be on top, but close the gap to other dps, the way it stands now, Sam will more or less be mandatory for savage progression and no class should be mandatory.
That being said, I'm aware of the balancing issues it would create to bring all other dps closer to Sam levels. Still, as it is now, it's not fair.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

And to add it on top of my post, this is why you are not hired to be SE battle team lol because you failed to understand

A DPS with an identity to simply "be the best DPS" is stupid.

That's like calling PLD a balanced Tank or AST a balanced healer because their identity is to be better than everyone else.

[Janhyua]

A DPS with an identity to simply "be the best DPS" is stupid.

That's like calling PLD a balanced Tank or AST a balanced healer because their identity is to be better than everyone else.

Paladin is where it should be now they need to buff Warrior dps and give them stance dancing back with no drawback and as for dark knight he standing on even of the 2 atm which is what DRK is

[Karja]

I would say WAR isn't even that bad. It's still the highest dps tank and its cds are still powerfull. The biggest problem I currently see with WAR is Beast Gauge penalty when you switch stances and Shake it off.
Beast Gauge penalty could be rework in 2 ways, just revert it back to the way it worked in Heavensward or if that's to powerfull make Defiance trigger a GCD. This way switching into Deliverance would be easy, like dropping Grit on DRK.
I draw a blank on Shake it off though.
A minor thing could be changing Onslaught from a Beast Gauge consumer to cost no Beast Gauge but increase CD to 30 or 45 seconds.

[Ryaz]

Most people don't want Sam to be nerfed, by all rights it should be strongest. Problem is just how much stronger than every other job it is. Personally I'd like Sam still to be on top, but close the gap to other dps, the way it stands now, Sam will more or less be mandatory for savage progression and no class should be mandatory.
That being said, I'm aware of the balancing issues it would create to bring all other dps closer to Sam levels. Still, as it is now, it's not fair.

Ninja will always be mandatory. Bard will always be mandatory.

I think Sam will be less mandatory than those two at this point.

[Draven]

Most people don't want Sam to be nerfed, by all rights it should be strongest. Problem is just how much stronger than every other job it is. Personally I'd like Sam still to be on top, but close the gap to other dps, the way it stands now, Sam will more or less be mandatory for savage progression and no class should be mandatory.
That being said, I'm aware of the balancing issues it would create to bring all other dps closer to Sam levels. Still, as it is now, it's not fair.

Rights? What rights? Sam has no rights above any other job to be better at dps. That's like saying Paladin should be the best tank because they have the right to it! like wtf

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Sam will more or less be mandatory for savage progression and no class should be mandatory.

Mandatory: NIN, RDM, BRD, PLD, AST.

Optional: SAM, MNK, DRG, MCH, BLM, SMN, SCH, DRK, WAR, WHM.

I'd say SAM is just about the least mandatory of any job in game. Being honest.

Rights? What rights? Sam has no rights above any other job to be better at dps. That's like saying Paladin should be the best tank because they have the right to it! like wtf

SAM specializes purely in dealing personal damage. All other dps jobs have some raid wide utility that increases the raids dps, and thus their own dps contribution. SAM being any weaker than it is means that it's the new 2.X DRG, and a significant loss to take over rather jobs, rather than a negligible loss.

[Lastelli]

Rights? What rights? Sam has no rights above any other job to be better at dps. That's like saying Paladin should be the best tank because they have the right to it! like wtf

Of course SAM should have a higher personal dps since it has no utility. What are you talking about? It should be equal to MNK personal dps plus the estimated raid dps gains due to brotherhood (plus something more because of mantra, depending on how difficult healing is in a particular instance, remember that MNK was in a8s world first only because of mantra) and NIN personal dps + TA synergies, since they are all melee jobs that compete for the same spot in a party. Similarly, DRG personal dps should be lower by an amount explained by (half of) disembowel contribution to BRD/MCH personal dps, battle litany and dragon sight. This is how you balance melee jobs.

[Karja]

SAM specializes purely in dealing personal damage. All other dps jobs have some raid wide utility that increases the raids dps, and thus their own dps contribution. SAM being any weaker than it is means that it's the new 2.X DRG, and a significant loss to take over rather jobs, rather than a negligible loss.

Black mage is the only job without raid wide utility. SAM is a close second with Slashing debuff since two other jobs also have slashing.

[Janhyua]

People seem to not know what is call utility over no utility lol I laugh every time they say nerf sam