SAM out classing all other DPS

[BelraugFire]

Is it me, or is Sam have such a high damage output compare to everyon else. After reviewing the class skills, the Sam finisher move has a potency of over 700 and their rotation is so simple like a tanks, while all other dps is in the 300s, why the giant gap. I know SE wants us to play the new classes but this is rediculous. I have watch the Agro tables in every dungeon I've been since launch and every time Sam is is in second. There used to be a fight for it, drg vs mnk vs nin vs smn vs blm, but now it's Sam evertime with almost no contest. Mnk have drop to trash tier as well, Smn has been replaced by red mage in aoe department so they are down there too. They need to fix this cause it takes the fun out of your favorite classes, What are your thoughts?

[LordMaitreya]

Is it me, or is Sam have such a high damage output compare to everyon else. After reviewing the class skills, the Sam finisher move has a potency of over 700 and their rotation is so simple like a tanks, while all other dps is in the 300s, why the giant gap. I know SE wants us to play the new classes but this is rediculous. I have watch the Agro tables in every dungeon I've been since launch and every time Sam is is in second. There used to be a fight for it, drg vs mnk vs nin vs smn vs blm, but now it's Sam evertime with almost no contest. Mnk have drop to trash tier as well, Smn has been replaced by red mage in aoe department so they are down there too. They need to fix this cause it takes the fun out of your favorite classes, What are your thoughts?

I think you better get ready for the massive amount of weebos that are going to flame you.

[BelraugFire]

these are my observations and thoughts on the matter, I welcome everyone's thoughts as well. I just find it rediculous that ever class was gutted and then there's Sam god tier in damage. What happen to earning that #2 spot on the Aggro table with your perfect rotation and skill? I just saying is all classes need to be rebalanced.

[BelraugFire]

Mainly drg and mnk got gutted. These 2 are well know for having good #s but now not so much. Classes need to be rebalancing.

[BelraugFire]

these are my observations and thoughts on the matter, I welcome everyone's thoughts as well. I just find it rediculous that ever class was gutted and then there's Sam god tier in damage. What happen to earning that #2 spot on the Aggro table with your perfect rotation and skill? I just saying is all classes need to be rebalanced.

[Neela]

these are my observations and thoughts on the matter, I welcome everyone's thoughts as well. I just find it rediculous that ever class was gutted and then there's Sam god tier in damage. What happen to earning that #2 spot on the Aggro table with your perfect rotation and skill? I just saying is all classes need to be rebalanced.

its one of the promoted cls - like Drg did good in HW after buffing. on the other hand yeah their raw power seem a bit over the top but they lack in utilities - comparable to Mnk in HW - strongest raw dmg but nothing for your grp aside of mantra... most probably they will get a balancing nerf but even if not, there will always be "the one on top"... so totally okay for me why not SAM in this tier? hmm....

[Niyuka]

SAM is the best DPS class, it was also advertised as such. They wont (and cant) go back on that now. Theoretically, other classes were supposed to bring support abilities to make up for their inferiority in comparison to SAM, but judging from what we can test and see right now, at least at item lvl 314 this is not the case.

The problem being also that since SAM is the best DPS class on its own (as designed), it makes better use of most single-target buffs, thus it always is best to buff the SAM until aggro becomes a problem, so you basically require a PLD tank who has better aggro (and is the best tank anyway) right now.

So, IF you go for performance, SAM is best, PLD is best and AST is best in their respectives roles ,with BLM having a specialized AOE role (that is currently not needed in the EX content).

[SkyCake]

SAM is the best DPS class, it was also advertised as such.

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[Kuwagami]

SAM is the best DPS class, it was also advertised as such. They wont (and cant) go back on that now. Theoretically, other classes were supposed to bring support abilities to make up for their inferiority in comparison to SAM, but judging from what we can test and see right now, at least at item lvl 314 this is not the case.

You mean the SSS dummy parsers people have done? They clearly show SAM isn't that higher than the other jobs, and even more so since said other jobs are losing all their utility in SSS.

so you basically require a PLD tank who has better aggro (and is the best tank anyway) right now.

No tank has an aggro problem, unless you're in dungeons and both dps ST a different mob in a pack, or you're in raid trying to optimize dps while your co-tank doesn't know how to shirk.

[HyoMinPark]

No tank has an aggro problem, unless you're in dungeons and both dps ST a different mob in a pack, or you're in raid trying to optimize dps while your co-tank doesn't know how to shirk.

It's completely likely to get tanks that cannot manage aggro well. I have met many in DF lately that lose aggro to me while I am AOEing a large trash pack, because they fail to rotate properly between mobs. Just want to point out that there are tanks out there that have aggro problems.


With regards to this thread topic, SAM is the highest in terms of personal DPS. But they have absolutely no raid utility whatsoever to bring to the table other than that raw damage. They don't provide any buffs that other jobs don't already have, and they cannot provide any sort of party support functions (e.g., MP or TP refresh like BRD/MCH). I personally don't think they need to be nerfed. Let there be a big deeps DPS job; just because SAM outshines BRD in terms of personal DPS doesn't mean that I find BRD any less appealing or enjoyable (besides, I got used to being low on the DPS totem pole until the end of Heavensward when BRDs had some of the highest personal DPS providing they had all the right conditions). If I want to see big-dick numbers, I break out SAM. If I want to play a job I am the most familiar and comfortable with, I break out BRD. That won't change for me, and I doubt it would change for anyone else who has a non-SAM main.

(Though, I do still go .___. at SE adding a second MNK to the game after they commented on how MNK had such a lack of raid utility.)