Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

So some PvP spells for WHM was posted in the JP deb blog. And if what I'm reading is right, it seems like 1 lily is 10%, 2 is 25%, and 3 is 50% CD reduction.

I can't read Japanese, so I can only trust the translations and assume that's what it says, but if this is true, then it seems the lilies was made more for PvP than PvE.

Honestly I didn't even consider it before, but spamming Cures and shortening CDs sounds perfect for PvP, where healing is a lot more active and unpredictable and you need to act fast.

I hate to even think this, but perhaps lilies was created for PvP, and then ported over to PvE...... I can only hope that's not true because PvP and PvE are two completely different playstyles.

[LegoTechnic]

So some PvP spells for WHM was posted in the JP deb blog. And if what I'm reading is right, it seems like 1 lily is 10%, 2 is 25%, and 3 is 50% CD reduction.

I can't read Japanese, so I can only trust the translations and assume that's what it says, but if this is true, then it seems the lilies was made more for PvP than PvE.

Honestly I didn't even consider it before, but spamming Cures and shortening CDs sounds perfect for PvP, where healing is a lot more active and unpredictable and you need to act fast.

I hate to even think this, but perhaps lilies was created for PvP, and then ported over to PvE...... I can only hope that's not true because PvP and PvE are two completely different playstyles.

PvP abilities will be almost entirely different from PvE ones in SB. Don't even consider them to be related. And before you go suspecting that "PvP abilities are effecting my PvE", look at it instead that they "had an idea for a new playstyle mechanic and implemented a version in both PvE and PvP".

[Keridwyn]

So some PvP spells for WHM was posted in the JP deb blog. And if what I'm reading is right, it seems like 1 lily is 10%, 2 is 25%, and 3 is 50% CD reduction.

If these values are also the same in PvE then I can start seeing value in them. If we know we have a 100% lily from cure 2 (and presumably procs from at least cure as well) the question becomes which skills need what reduction. Is 150s Benediction worth 3 casts of Cure 2?

We might all prefer the lilies give us something else but those CD reduction percentages are higher than what a lot of folks suggested as a fix.

That might tide us over for a couple months, long enough for them to design and test a couple of new skills to fix the gaps in our kit. We wouldn't be healthy but we wouldn't be in as dire of straights.

[Fernosaur]

If these values are also the same in PvE then I can start seeing value in them. If we know we have a 100% lily from cure 2 (and presumably procs from at least cure as well) the question becomes which skills need what reduction. Is 150s Benediction worth 3 casts of Cure 2?

We might all prefer the lilies give us something else but those CD reduction percentages are higher than what a lot of folks suggested as a fix.

The possibility of having Assize up twice per minute plus Thin Air plus Lucid Dreaming is much more MP than what SCH can ever get in Heavensward, which is one of the job's main strengths, so WHM's MP sustain will be hands down the best in the game if this is the case. This, of course, translates to much better DPS uptime, specially coupled with the changes to Cleric Stance and all the oGCD tools WHM has. WHM might even be able to go without Lucid Dreaming and use that for another Skill slot, tbh, something which the other two healers can't do, from the looks of it.

I know having to cast Cure II to ensure a Lilly proc is far from ideal, but this is a very big fix that I think could be a precedent for other good news, like Regens causing procs, or Confesion stacks not being used up when a target is healed by Plenary Indulgence.

tl;dr: I think this means the devs are listening about the most unhelpful or useless features, and seem to be going to lengths in order to give WHM an actually improved toolkit for SB instead of just slapping a 12 second spellspring and calling it a day.

Honestly, if Lillies could proc out of Regen and group healing and they keep that amount of CD reduction for PvE instead of just PvP, WHM playstyle would be pretty enticing, imo, specially considering the Cleric Stance change and how it affects Assize. I think Plenary Indulgence needs a slight buff to make the direct healing playstyle more viable for promoting Assize spam, but it does open up more possibilities, so I think WHM is headed in a better direction.

Of course, this will hardly change the meta so long as Balance exists, but I think in general WHM mains should stop giving themselves so much bad PR now that we're aware of this. I hate to say it, but if the stories of WHMs getting kicked just cause they're WHM are true, AST and SCH mains would be the last people I'd accuse of being at fault, since they're not the ones that are so vocal about WHM being dead :/