Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

I'm pretty sure the OP covers all those points as it stands. Unless I missed something or need to clean something up.

Oh no, I wasn't implying the OP quotes and summarization was inadequate or anything. You've done a fine job.

It's impossible to take every point from a 200+ page argument and summarize it fully. I do hope that SE reads our arguments about the sheer power gap between WHM and AST though. Whether the job is labeled "casual" or not, playing at a high skill level should allow WHM to feel relatively strong and comparable to an AST at an equal skill level. Currently there's no matching them though. They're untouchable, on a completely different level.

I can't find any good quotes going into depth with this discussion in this huge thread, but I feel like what we have already is more than enough to get our feelings across.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/6g6jef/famitsus_stormblood_article_updated_with_skill/?sort=new

So the famitsu article was updated with some footnotes on The Whm section in particular. So basically the lily system was too unreliable in harder content and the info about the build having a fair amount of stuff cut from it to be stable. But we need to wait til release to get a clearer picture.

On mobile so can't link directly.

I'm gonna post something I posted on Reddit earlier.

By granting Cure 2 a 100% proc rate to lilies, they made the system even worse. One might ask, why? Having lilies come 100% from Cure 2 takes away all the incentive from using Cure 1.

Cure 1 was previously used to fish for Freecure procs, due to MP "problems" WHM had, but now, with the addition of Thin Air and lower CD on Assize, as well as a buff to Shroud (now called Lucid Dreaming), you'll be better off by letting the tank get a little lower and only using Cure II, because the higher MP cost by doing so will be compensated by consistently having Assize on a 48 seconds cooldown.

Keep in mind that ASTs still have the incentive of Enhanced Benefic to be casting Benefic 1 - wich grants a 100% crit on Benefic 2, also reducing the cooldown on Lightspeed by 5 seconds.

The right course of action in my opinion would be to give Cure 1 the 100% proc to lillies, while reverting it to 400 potency.

Originally Posted by Entilper

AST CD reduction

Honestly the AST proc sounds awful too. Unless there were changes to Lightspeed, I'm not sure why we would want it sooner.

That being said, it procing everytime guaranteed on a crit, along with Benefic II being a guaranteed CRIT at times is an example of great synergy with their kit. It all just works.
And the bad thing about this is, ASTs CD reduction is just something extra they were given. WHMs entire lily system is built off of this, and it synergizes horribly with our kit and playstyle.
It really shows that they either didn't care to develop anything for WHM, or they didn't have time to thoroughly think out a system for them.


And for goodness sake, can someone tell SE to revert the damn AST MP costs? Why in the HELL do they have lower MP costs for higher potency heals?

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

That being said, it procing everytime guaranteed on a crit, along with Benefic II being a guaranteed CRIT at times is an example of great synergy with their kit. It all just works.
And the bad thing about this is, ASTs CD reduction is just something extra they were given. WHMs entire lily system is built off of this, and it synergizes horribly with our kit and playstyle.

Exactly. The new AST cooldown reduction proves that something can have synergy with the job without being OP, if it's really well-thought-out. I hope that if they don't fix WHM in 4.0, they at least do something for 4.X, because announcing that Cure 2 has a 100% proc rate on lilies changes nothing. The problem is the system itself.

Originally Posted by Entilper

because announcing that Cure 2 has a 100% proc rate on lilies changes nothing. The problem is the system itself.

Exactly this. It all amounts to polishing a turd if that's an indicator to the extent of their promised "changes".

Originally Posted by Entilper

Exactly. The new AST cooldown reduction proves that something can have synergy with the job without being OP, if it's really well-thought-out. I hope that if they don't fix WHM in 4.0, they at least do something for 4.X, because announcing that Cure 2 has a 100% proc rate on lilies changes nothing. The problem is the system itself.

Based on the screenshot from PVP :

I don't know guys, but have access to Assize every 30 sec, it's pretty nice and powerful.

Originally Posted by Ceasaria

Based on the screenshot from PVP :

I don't know guys, but have access to Assize every 30 sec, it's pretty nice and powerful.

If the PvE numbers are anything like the PvP numbers it will be worth tossing a couple of cure 2 to get some garanteed reduction. That is a huge cut to our CDs. I understand wishing the lilies did something else but a plannable 50% reduction to something like Bene is nothing to sneeze at.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

And for goodness sake, can someone tell SE to revert the damn AST MP costs? Why in the HELL do they have lower MP costs for higher potency heals?

This still baffles me how they've not increased the MP costs to accompany the LONG-since improved healing potencies to match WHM's heals... AST just seems to always have their cake and eat it too.

So, here are my thoughts on where this conversation is currently at:

• I think that Cure 1 will also have 100% proc rate. A statement that Cure 2 has 100% proc rate does not mean that Cure 1 does not also have the 100% proc rate. It makes more sense for this system to thrive off of making Cure 1 significantly better. Plenary Indulgence has a 15 second CD, which about how often you might find yourself using a Cure 2. Instead, you could just be using Cure 1 + Plenary Indulgence until you proc a free Cure 2 for an even bigger heal.
• I honestly think AST's lower mp costs would be be balanced with their lack of 0 mp cost instant cast OCD heals (which WHM has an abundance of)
• I think everyone should stop thinking of balance as being a trade off between healing and damage. Both jobs should have their healing balanced to similar levels. Both jobs should have their raid damage contribution balanced to similar levels.