Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

It was my hope, that we would gain more supportive abilities/traits as WHMs. Perhaps Haste?

However we have this element of RNG that in one case will only really benefit the tank (maybe, if the 20% procs) and a cool down ''management'' ability that is again not only based on RNG, but can not really be managed. Because you can't save the cool down if you need that quick heal right now (Assize and Tetra thus resetting it!) and since we don't have shields, using these abilities is often vital. Esp. if you are trying to weave in a little DPS.

I just think that its overly fussy and underwhelming. Lilies have been given to us but can rarely be used to its potential in practicality.
It's almost like they just want to to forget about it and take it like a bonus (maybe if it procs) instead of having a real ability. Isn't this what passive abilities are for?

These are my preliminary, pre-SB thoughts. I'm a bit sad about it as a WHM main.

Using my most recent parses for A12S, I cast Cure I/Cure II 15-20 times generally in each run. Over 10-11 minutes. Not even 1/10th of my time in the instance was spent casting either.

This means I'd average 3-4 lilies. The system is just utter garbage in comparison to what every other class has gotten. They could completely remove the lily gauge and everything that was added to use that system and WHMs likely wouldn't even notice them being missing, bar the absence of Stoneskin to make way for the sick joke that is Divine Benison.

WHM's design should be centered around reliability and consistency. Satisfying x condition should always result in y outcome. It shouldn't rely on RNG in any way whatsoever. That's AST's gig.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

[...] we would still be VIABLE in dungeon/ex trial content.

Chances are, they will also be viable "healers" in Raid content, as in: They'll be able to heal the incoming damage.

And that's probably all that counts to SE. I'd not be surprised if they weren't even looking at what else you contribute.

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

So... I was reading through the JP posts where I found a comment that was interesting and something I was thinking of doing but was just too lazy...


The quote is to give credit where credit is due. Translation (rough, I'm tired T_T) :

The poster is concerned because with the changing of traits and removal of stuff in the expansion, it felt like whm was losing out a lot more than the other healers especially in older content

WHM has 16 abilities up to level 50, if you compress stone and Aero, that ends up being 14 with 2 skills becoming rather useless: Fluid Aura and Repose. That and many of thier abilities were stripped into the cross class system.

Scholar has 18, 17 if you combine the Bios. Not to mention there are the 7 fairy abilities + the 10 cross class abilities.
Astro has 18, 17 if you combine the combusts, plus their 6 cards and the 10 cross class abilities.

In total: WHM: 24, SCH: 34, AST: 33
if you drop out their "useless" skills, WHM only has 12 abilities to use and no mitigation abilities until level 66 and not a single barrier.

Kinda depressing to read that. Really thought they would have replaced the skills we had taken away with new stuff

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

This is going to trickle down hard. The truth is, despite how boring, how badly designed the lily system is, how bad we were gutted and how AST heals for more, mitigates for more and buffs for more than us, we would still be VIABLE in dungeon/ex trial content.

Given how the community responds, i.e. skip Soar or disband. I wonder if the trickle down effect will spill out of Savage and into Extremes. I mean, farm groups are all about efficiency and White Mage... isn't. I wasn't around when Heavensward launched, so I can't say whether the initial blow back against Astro was that bad.

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

In total: WHM: 24, SCH: 34, AST: 33
if you drop out their "useless" skills, WHM only has 12 abilities to use and no mitigation abilities until level 66 and not a single barrier.

Wow. That is actually depressing to read. What is SE thinking, it's half the job it used to be...

We all migrated to yet ANNOOOTHER LOL WHM thread!!! We are gonna be doing this for next 15-19 days!!!

I'm convinced that WHM is currently designed for players that can't handle or rather not handle the higher APM of an AST and a SCH. Therefore WHM can sufficiently complete all content and stands out in causal content (dungs and what not); but serious Core players with the aptitude for bigger and better will settle for AST/SCH compositions.

MIND YOU.... THE CURRENT DIFFERENCE IN OVERALL DPS GAINED ON AVG IS ONLY 3-5% for a AST/SCH comp over that of a WHM/SCH comp. (which is why i said we should go back to fighting with SCH for a spot in CORE raiding....but they f#$Ked around and gave them B*tch a$$ SCH a "Battle litany" on a shorter recast than the actual Battle litany....)

Nevertheless .. a 3-5% DPS increase while maintaining survival, can be the difference needed to completely skipping a mech (like A11S lapis phase or a Soar) which in turns adds potentially even more up-time and faster clears and safer clears since you have less mech to deal manage.

Originally Posted by Fyce

When a tooltip says that you'll get a stack at a 20% chance by using Cure and Cure II, you don't need to spend months practicing it to realize it's garbage.

But it's also true that the translations from many, MANY of the tooltips have been severely inaccurate. And everything is subject to change, especially if SE gets wind of the communities concern about what's happening with WHM.

People just need to be patient and wait until things have been solidified before making outright conclusions.

Its definitely possible that the way WHM is now won't be the case come the 16th. That's why I say if you haven't played it after the stormblood release, then refrain from acting as such.