Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Ironically, I think Divine Benison might have been been an attempt at using the Water element.. At least, it feels like it. If they would just increase it's efficacy, or ease of use, it could probably be a suitable replacement for Stoneskin, with a nicer animation and aesthetic.

Yeah it did look quite nice, certainly a lot more aesthetically pleasing than Stoneskin! Just hope it has a bit of a buff to make it more accessible. A shorter cooldown or a 10% party-wide barrier instead would be great perhaps.

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Hallowed ground has always been 7 minutes, at least as far as I remember.

I just wasn't sure if they changed it for SB and given how helpful Hallowed is. then i would say something like Arise on that timer would be good. biggest CD now that bene's time got cut, but it would be worth it.

Originally Posted by Yhximott

You've suggested that we shouldn't complain about a perfectly broken and useless addition to our Job because RNG is involved

Wrong.
I have suggested that both systems, of lilies and confessions, are poorly thought out for the Job, and proposed ideas as to what I would think would make the situation better.
I have also suggested that it would be better to work together on creating solutions and fixes for the issue, rather than trying to be a jerk to someone because they joked around a bit before they were serious.
You're reading words into my post, based on someone else's misguided and overblown kneejerk reaction to a joke I made.

Nice try though.

Originally Posted by Aurum

This guy is trolling all of you. If you go into these logs and look at what the cohealers are doing what you'll see that:
- The astro in the first log precast aspected benefic and did 0 healing for the rest of the fight.
- The astro in the second log cast helios 5 times, aspected helios 5 times, used essential dignity once, and used collective unconscious once.
- The astro in the third log had 9 casts of aspected helios, 3 casts of helios, 1 essential dignity, and 3 casts of aspected benefic.

So in effect these white mages were all solo healing while their cohealers just did whatever.

you are lost..... I clearly indicated that the WHM was the MAIN HEALER... so you'd have to assume the off healer isnt doing much; and that is exactly the scenario you would need in order to make the comparison I demonstrate.

Originally Posted by javid

you are lost..... I clearly indicated that the WHM was the MAIN HEALER... so you'd have to assume the off healer isnt doing much; and that is exactly the scenario you would need in order to make the comparison I demonstrate.

It's widely acknowledged that the Main vs. Off-Healer meta is a dated one, and it's only likely to become more so with 4.0 eliminating CS timing as a consideration.

A log where the WHM has to heal a Savage encounter mostly alone doesn't constitute a representative (or particularly predictive) sample of WHM play.

Why Yoshido just don't used the magical "Git Gud" ?

That clearly apply here when I see so much "Main WHM" that don't have any fcking clue about how their job as to be done.

Originally Posted by Cynfael

Regardless of which measure of efficiency you choose to focus on, there isn't really anything there that supports 4.0 WHM mechanics (specifically the Lily gauge) being very useful or desirable.

you conclusion is invalid. One of the prevailing arugments on this forum is "IF SE IS DEAD SET ON MAKING A RNG PROC SYSTEM BASED ON WHM SKILL USAGE, why not make it proc off of regens and medica II's?"

And my posted answered that questions with why IT WON'T be on regen/medica II applications. Plainly b/c there are too few of them per fight by comparison to Cures I & II; Also in an early post I demonstrated why it would be even worst if they made it proc off of regen ticks (how abusive it could be and/or completely unoticeable by efficient play-styles). Hence the reason why it has to stay on Cures IF SE IS DEAD SET ON A RNG PROC SYSTEM BASED ON WHM SKILL USAGE.

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

You're reading words into my post, based on someone else's misguided and overblown kneejerk reaction to a joke I made.

Nice try though.

If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't be telling them in the first place. =p

Originally Posted by Cynfael

It's widely acknowledged that the Main vs. Off-Healer meta is a dated one, and it's only likely to become more so with 4.0 eliminating CS timing as a consideration.

A log where the WHM has to heal a Savage encounter mostly alone doesn't constitute a representative (or particularly predictive) sample of WHM play.

As you say, the WHM wasn't the "Main Healer" it was the "Solo Healer". This is a very dedicated WHM that did that, but i can only imagine what they're MP reserves were, and i almost bet there was no MND/INT potions bot Max-Ether Pots used.