Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by javid

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Could you, in a succinct, non-hyperbolic manner explain in what way WHM is better than Ast or Sch? As in, what actual worth it has above the other two healers? Or how it is in any way intuitively designed? Please, defend Confession, stacks we have to watch on 3-7 party members. Or how Lilys are even useful or actually​ add to the job's function or fun factor?

Originally Posted by KingFrost

Could you, in a succinct, non-hyperbolic manner explain in what way WHM is better than Ast or Sch? As in, what actual worth it has above the other two healers? Or how it is in any way intuitively designed? Please, defend Confession, stacks we have to watch on 3-7 party members. Or how Lilys are even useful or actually​ add to the job's function or fun factor?

huh? Do you really want me to offer up MY OPINION?? Or is this a troll bait??

FINE ILL BITE ANYWAYS!!

The word "better" is completely subjective! For some ppl, "better" can mean "simple", "easier to handle". Meanwhile others attribute another meaning to the word "better".

Simplicity

Actions
Even with the Lily & confessions added complexity, WHM remains the simplest of the 3 healers, with the lowest number of actions overall and lowest actions/min to manage overall. SE has purposely design its content (healing-wise) to make healing management virtually the same among all 3 healers (at least that's what Yoshi said they did...we'll have to play and see if we agree.). So here you have the lowest actions-healer having the same healing output as its higher action & actions/min counterparts. Meaning one can say," A WHM can with much simplicity handle the same content a SCH/AST can handle (healing wise)." That same one could also say, "being able to do the same (healing) job with less resources is BETTER!"

Mana

WHM has the "better" MP management (best management). Now I know a bunch of ppl will try to claim to be MP-managment-demi-gods!! But a more realistic outlook is : MP management in a long up-time fight can and has been an issue for healers. Even though we will now have, mana-shift, brd/mch mp regen, and cross class Lucid Dreaming, WHM has the best personal resources to assist its MP management (thin air, assize, freecure*, & confession procs). Now AST has the worst mp management on avg!.

Let's take a closer look at the mana-shift ability and brd/mch mp regens.

mana-shift
Rdm has NO personal mp regen ability....which means Rdm will not shift you shittttt in a fight, they need their mp! SMN is a bit better since they have Aetherflow, but that's assuming they're managing their MP efficiently (not over doing it on the non-DT ruin III's); so really the only caster at liberty to share its mana is a BLM(and you WHMs think you have it bad?? they took away BLMs party utility, they took away current foe's function, and I highly doubt BLM will remain second in single target raw dps like it is now...
good luck" finding a BLM in best "comp").

range mp ability
Current Mage's Ballad and MP turret and AST's ewer all give 30 potency/tic. Mages and turret, if started at full mp, can last up to 1 min 45 sec. The new Stormblood mp/tp regen range abilities doesn't list the potency, but they only last for 30 sec over a 3min cd. So if their respective potencies are also 30/tic, healers that struggle with MP managment aren't gonna find 300 potency mp regen/3min very useful. And you could do both turret and mage's in current dire situations, but no longer moving forward...





In conclusion

WHM can heal all fights with less resources to manage than its counterparts which leaves it more room for error by comparison. WHM also has the best MP managing utilities which again leaves more room for error compared to AST/SCH. For those players that value these "perks" over everything else, WHM is "better" than SCH/AST




note: I am NOT one of those players... but with a community that currently struggles to dps while healing in a DUNGEONS?? I HIGHLY doubt that most DO NOT prioritize simplicity over everything else.

Originally Posted by javid

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WHM has much worse MP management than AST and SCH. AST can technically put a mp card on himself and even extend both mp card and their shrouds by another 10 seconds, wich then gives them mana for days. On top of that the card could potentially buffed beforehand to last longer/be stronger. AST even has noticeable lower MP costs overall...
As soon as you get a fight that exceeds 5 minutes WHM is running dry on mana and needs help, wich then lowers other peoples dps (Brd needs to stop requiem and whatnot) while AST and SCH can easily take care of their mp pool by themself.

Edit: AST also got Lightspeed (Granted i dont know if it is still a thing in SB), wich reduces mana costs by another 25%. Did i mention you can extend this one too? Dont tell me WHM has best mana management.

Originally Posted by Sanghelios

huh?

• What are your chances of getting an Ewer draw? 1 out of 6 every 30 sec.
  
• What is the priority of your card system? DPS!!
  
• Is Ewer dps? NOOO!!
  
• Can you guarantee to have an Ewer card exactly when you need it? Yes, if you're willing to neglect your dps priority of your card system!
  
• What AST in their right mind would sit on their Celestial Opposition to extend the Ewer card usage? Apparently you
  
• Which Cooldown offers more efficient MP management "Thin Air" or "Light Speed"? Thin Air...guy, be serious.
  
• What does AST have comparable to Assize in terms of MP!!!? NOTHING.... (please don't say ewer... u can't guarantee it every 60 sec, it doesn't amount to 10% of your Max[someone fact check this please], nor is MP regeneration the priority of your card system)

Also you said AST/SCH ....but you only proposed [false] evidence for AST's superior and DEPENDABLE MP regeneration.

But before you even go there, let me help. Aetherflow mp regen got nerfed, but at least you got lucid dreaming now....the end.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...s_across_jobs/

Originally Posted by javid

"Yoshi P has no idea what it takes to heal in this game..." For as long as I play this game I will never forget this quote, and this will always be why I will troll your kind

I like you. You acknowledge what truly matters.

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Honestly? No, I didn't. But you'd think if there were at least changes coming he'd acknowledge some of the things they were going to change in the question before giving a cop-out answer like "We know what we're doing, just wait until you get into those raids you're probably not going to get invited into." =/

Let's be real, no matter what changes he made, WHM mains would still be screaming and kicking their way up and down the aisles if they weren't immediately above SCH and AST to such a degree that their utility is worthless. Much better to say as little as possible.

Originally Posted by dark494

Because everyone is taking it out of context and only caring about the one-liner, try reading the entire response first.

People only see what they want to see. What else is new?