Quote Originally Posted by Saraphin View Post
It has been happening. it's been said earlier in this thread that people are getting kicked from WC, getting kicked from DS, we had a blow up last night in the Novice Network because a WHM got kicked 5 minutes into a dungeon. this is really happening. if you want to not admit it or not, it's been noted here on this thread that WHMs are getting kicked.

So you have never seen it. that's good, but others are seeing it. we're noting it down that it's happening. You can say Bull if you want, but this is happening. people are being excluded for playing White Mage, for whatever reasons, without reasons sometimes, other times, it's harassment of "Play AST or Q as DPS" (again, far earlier in this massive thread.)




It is disgusting, and the problem is, we are seeing it. we're worrying, Mentors are trying to calm Returners and Sprouts Alike (at least on Ultros) someone has noted in an earlier post that they were told "You will have to change from WHM in SB or find another group". this is where people believing that "meta" is "Gospel" because a select few use this compositions.

This also goes back to things "Why Bring a WHM when you can have Chain Stratagem and Balance?" that's been posted. i'm not saying good things might not be coming from WHM, but with what was released, the toxicity is growing as more and more people think that WHM is inferior. (RAW current numbers show that they can be, not posting them again, do your reading folks)

I'm glad the EU servers are doing well and aren't having this issue. I'm not shocked it's started on NA servers, but we can only hope to wait it out, hope something changes and it doesn't become worse.

( ok NOW i can post, yay)
Just couldn't resist that little jab at America, could you?

If WHMs are being kicked now, then it's likely for entirely separate reasons because there is nothing wrong with the class composition as things currently stand. Either the person running the group is a fool, the WHM itself is bad and they don't want to deal with it, or someone's personality is contentious. There are tons of reasons for party discord, but having it be because "WHM changes in SB will be bad" is probably the stupidest thing available and people like that should be immediately put on your block list. The exception to this is speedrun of parser-push groups, and this is just one of the evils that comes along with FFLogs as DPS seek to preen their feathers with Balance pushes. PLDs face the same issue here given WAR's current benefits, and it's a situation where you either have to deal with the fact that not all classes are homogenized and play the one with the sought benefit, or look for groups that don't have "epeen" as a primary focus.

That said there is merit in asking your WHM to consider changing profession for progression raiding if a perceived advantage is apparent, and if you are hellbent on server first then I encourage you to give it some thought. If competition is your group's driving force then you want to maximize your synergy and you should be 100% adaptable if you intend to meet that focus. This is no different to people asking MNKs to switch to DRG and NIN or BRDs to change to MCHs. It is not necessary to do so, and you should always play a class you enjoy, but keeping an open mind about other roles is good for the group's goal of playing as hardcore as possible. Regardless if the group is demanding that you do something you specifically are not wanting to do, then find another group; this is a video game and you need to play it with the goal of maximizing enjoyment. If that enjoyment is not coming from the current state of your party, then do whatever you need to do in order to work it out with your raid leader, who is often just another player trying to enjoy the game themself, of if you find them to be impossible to work with then find a more accommodating party.