Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Yoshi-P has confirmed that Cure 2 has a 100% chance to generate a lily.
Still would love if they gave us stoneskin back and made stoneskin2 useable in battle to have some aoe mitigation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...lily_with_100/

Originally Posted by Feidam

This is completely false info. The healing power of the white was not tied to rng. An element of it yes, but there is plenty of power without the lillies. This is the type of hyperbole that hurts a class.

That was an exaggeration, yeah. What I should have said is all of their new healing tools are tied to RNG and the use of Cure/II.

You have the option to ignore everything WHM got for SB (save Stone IV and Thin Air), but then what did we improve on? We're just the same as we were in 3.0, maybe with a bit more MP Regen now. We were already being kicked to the side in Creator. If we haven't changed at all, what's going to stop that from continuing now? Even worse actually since the other healers evolved further...

Really, the only question that needs to be asked is: is the opportunity cost of casting 3 Cure IIs instead of 3 Stone IVs to get 20%/12s off of (your oGCD of choice) worthwhile?"

My gut feeling says "not in the slightest".

I do think that most people's complaints aren't that lilies are in any way crippling, it is just that they're functionally almost useless. I am okay with some of the role changes, but the core issue is that the "pure healer" class isn't even the best "pure healer" anymore and doesn't get anything to make up for it.

Certainly not crippling, but we obviously want to maximize our potential as much as possible. The current system would widen the gap between skilled players and unskilled, and even skilled players would find themselves subject to rng.

Originally Posted by Saraphin

Well, on Ultros (and a few others have said here) WHMs are already getting kicked from things like Weeping City and Dun Scaithe. what we want is to not be afraid of even being kicked from The 24 man raid, which is looking more and more like it might happen.

And Ex Primals could be considered "raids", not Savage raid levels but 8 man raids of sorts.

I call bull crap on this. I have yet to see anyone kicked for anything other than being afk or going link dead. I've even been in runs where other groups healers are keeping bad groups alive, rezzing their healers and no one has been kicked. This content (especially weeping) isn't hard and it really doesn't matter what the group make up is.

To the WHMs who argue that they never cast Cure II, is that only when you've mastered raids? How about Progression when you are learning raids? When tanks take huge damage from TB and Autoattacks like in A12, you Tetra them and let Regen tick--fine, but Tetra is a long recast. What do you do in the meantime? How about when learning fights especially when you're not at max ilvl?

They say the build is from late April and skills will change - I understand. Are the potencies or the effect of the lillies going to change? One of those has to, because 4-20% cooldown reduction isn't worth anything. 15 seconds or so off a skill isn't going to change its usage, because healing is about using abilities when needed, not holding them until we get 3 lillies. This is proven by the fact that spear is AST's "throwaway card;" no one wants CDR.

WHM's entire new job mechanic is just AST's worst card - and it's single use. Using an ability (as of the April build) uses all lillies in your gauge. It's worse than spear! That's such a slap in the face...

If the CDR was more potent, say 25% for 1 lily, 30% for 2 and 50% for 3, that would be worthwhile. That would make sacrificing GCDs and MP to fish for procs somewhat viable. You may think those percentages are high, but it's not like it's +30% damage dealt, or +15% attack speed.

Would be crazy to give a healer those.

Originally Posted by Saraphin

This also goes back to things "Why Bring a WHM when you can have Chain Stratagem and Balance?" that's been posted. i'm not saying good things might not be coming from WHM, but with what was released, the toxicity is growing as more and more people think that WHM is inferior. (RAW current numbers show that they can be, not posting them again, do your reading folks)

Maybe this should have been clarified sooner. When I raise the question about The Balance and Chain Stratagem, this question is from the context that applies to people I play with. Loyalty towards playing a single or specific job is not a setback for us. Our members have assigned roles, rather than assigned jobs. Inside raid, we play whatever job in our role we think is going to be the most useful for our group. In PUG groups and dungeons, those rules don't apply. We have lower expectations from people we don't know, and I think its more reasonable to be that way. Also, we don't treat most content in the game the way we treat raids with our inner group. This is a situation where context matters.