Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[joannaluttrell]

I don't agree with you, people who care meta is really really low, people used to play what they enjoy, if people play WHM and its really boring, or hard RNG scripted they wont play WHM, but if WHM is fun and you can complete any kind of content with WHM, they will play WHM. (People running world first or speed run are pretty know of meta, so they know what to play)

Being able to complete it doesn't matter if no one is inviting you to begin with.

[Greywolfamakir]

Being able to complete it doesn't matter if no one is inviting you to begin with.

No one is inviting you ? wtf ?

Do you really thinkg that every party on DF or RF or FC's party wont allow WHMs? are you really thinking that?

This kind of comments is tuning this post into a BIG JOKE.

[Jxnibbles]

Also don't forget players will kick just for "Different playstyles" Hell I already see so many childish players "Ha this Healer is Whm kick" "DIfferent playstyle" - Which is really Vague. Also yes i seen Whms be kicked from 24mans, 4mans, 8mans Nm runs after the Embargo had ended. Hell I even know a Whm main who cleared all of Coil and Alex prenerfs get the message "You may be forced to change come SB, If you wish to stay Whm you will have to find another group."

[Saraphin]

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we can only HOPE it is salvaged. as of right now, a lot of people are going "well WHM and SCH are both standing there while AST is singing "Anything you can do i can do better"...." and this is before all the SB stuff, this is on HW numbers alone. there's been a lot of feelings of being left behind, the SCH wasn't left behind this expansion so much...but...hopefully the changes since the media build will not make this as bad.

it was a fiasco, yes, but if something 2 months out of Release feels "lacking" by those that got to play it early, Streamers that the community watches and values their opinion and they say that a class looks like it's got a bad outlook because of it...of course the community is going to get anxious, some even furious and some freaking out. that's how it goes. we trust the guys in the Media Tour team. we trust their insight.

I don't agree with you, people who care meta is really really low, people used to play what they enjoy, if people play WHM and its really boring, or hard RNG scripted they wont play WHM, but if WHM is fun and you can complete any kind of content with WHM, they will play WHM. (People running world first or speed run are pretty know of meta, so they know what to play)

It's been proven that many people take these "metas" as Gospel. There have been people actually being pressured to change away from WHM. this was around 3.4. that's how far back this has gone. not saying that there aren't WHMs that haven't cleared savage content, but they're running with statics that they have had since the beginning of HW (or even from ARR).

Also don't forget players will kick just for "Different playstyles" Hell I already see so many childish players "Ha this Healer is Whm kick" "DIfferent playstyle" - Which is really Vague. Also yes i seen Whms be kicked from 24man, 4mans, 8man Nm runs after the Embargo had ended. Hell I even know a Whm main who cleared all of Coil and Alex prenerfs get the message "You may be forced to change come SB, If you wish to stay Whm you will have to find another group."

This. this right here is the issue. people are already trying to push the WHM out of a lot of stuff, they're kicking them. Regardless of what we know, regardless that there will be changes, there are issues. issues with the build that was shown. Enough that many in the community have become jaded and see WHMs as nothing desirable.

[Greywolfamakir]

we trust the guys in the Media Tour team. we trust their insight.

If you trust them and they said "Development footage subject to change" like 1 million times, why did you think that every piece of content from Media Tour will be the same at the release?

Just after Media Tour info comes out i read things like "I have canceled my Pre-Order of Stormblood becase WHM...." you know that every piece of content that you have seen was subject to change so...what the hell are you doing? just stupid people...

[Saraphin]

If you rust them and they said "Development footage subjetc to change" like 1 million times, why did you think that every piece of content from Media Tour will be the same at the release?

Yes, we all know that it may (will) be changed, however, if you look at what they were given, major changes would have to be done to fix what everyone saw. Changes that many who actually work in programming cannot see being changed in TWO Months.

[Greywolfamakir]

Yes, we all know that it may (will) be changed, however, if you look at what they were given, major changes would have to be done to fix what everyone saw. Changes that many who actually work in programming cannot see being changed in TWO Months.

I work in programming and i can say that numbers can be tweak in minutes, procs % can be tweak in minutes...Will SE does WHM give a new hard utility skill like SCH Crit or like AST Balance before 4.0? no, they wont, but again, meta is not the point here.

[Saraphin]

I work in programming and i can say that numbers can be tweak in minutes, procs % can be tweak in minutes...Will SE does WHM give a new hard utility skill like SCH Crit or like AST Balance before 4.0? no, they wont, but again, meta is not the point here.

i'm not talking Numbers and Proc %s, i'm talking Skills (which will take awhile, unless they simply reflag a skill that was taken away) and abilities.

The Point is that WHMs have had a lot taken and the return, as see by tooltips and Dev footage, isn't enough to do more than seem to downplay one of the Most Iconic classes in the Final fantasy series and make it...lacking, to be understating.

Edit: for those wanting me to reply, i've hit the Post Cap, i will attempt to reply as much as I can when it gets reset.

[Semirhage]

Yeah, who cares about all of the concerns that the job is getting a bunch of abilities stripped from it, having several of those holes replaced with nothing, and getting what presently sounds like awkward and potentially boring additions to your mechanics for the next ten levels? People in here are just mad they won't be some frivolous 1% meta, that's the problem. /s

Meta doesn't just get pulled out of somebody's posterior. It exists because of power disparities between jobs. Being out of meta is a symptom of other issues.

[Greywolfamakir]

Yeah, who cares about all of the concerns that the job is getting a bunch of abilities stripped from it, having several of those holes replaced with nothing, and getting what presently sounds like awkward and potentially boring additions to your mechanics for the next ten levels? People in here are just mad they won't be some frivolous 1% meta, that's the problem. /s

Meta doesn't just get pulled out of somebody's posterior. It exists because of power disparities between jobs. Being out of meta is a symptom of other issues.

Meta will exist ALWAYS for ever and ever !
is it bad? NO, its a consequence, we have different jobs so we will have a meta comp ALWAYS.
If your favourite job is actually out of meta that means NOTHING out of world progress or speedkills groups.