Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

I wouldn't mind if they took Divine Seal back. Like, at all. Synastry had a unique additional effect (give that back, too) and SCH already has both Fey Illumination and Dissipation so it's not like they were crippled without healing potency buffs or anything.

I wonder if the plan is to have bosses spam more AoE and make divine seal and bigger heals more valuable, maybe?

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I know not a dev response but my thought process is basically MP sustain for healing and DPS. Assize @ 60s, Lucid Dreaming @ 90s, Thin Air @ 120s, and Freecure procs (which are not only infinitely MP efficient but will also generate Lillies for the WHM). Getting a 10% reduction to Assize's recast would mean you get to use it more often than Aetherflow (arguably - since they have Quicken Aetherflow but even that's a low proc chance).

I have no idea how the fights will be designed but at a lark the MP kit for WHM is shaping up to the best of the three healers if current tooltips are to remain. Time will tell if that remains true or not.

Not really. I only blow Assize on cooldown now because I'm overgeared and never need it for healing anyway. With Omega prog, you will want to keep Assize for a quick aoe heal, meaning any cooldown reduction becomes meaningless if you've already planned ahead you want Assize up for a certain mechanic. That's the fundamental issue with a lot of these changes. The devs seem to think we play reactionary when we're playing preemptively.

Originally Posted by Saraphin

Well, on Ultros (and a few others have said here) WHMs are already getting kicked from things like Weeping City and Dun Scaithe. what we want is to not be afraid of even being kicked from The 24 man raid, which is looking more and more like it might happen.

And Ex Primals could be considered "raids", not Savage raid levels but 8 man raids of sorts.

To be fair i've never seen any WHMs being kicked in HW no matter what content, 24man casual, primal or savage.
Ppl might not be happy to see WHMs especially if you have no AST (cards <3) and in SB it might be even worse cause of SCHs "mini"-litany (WHM should get it and not a SCH with overpowered fairy)... but i play quite alot and i've never seen anyone kicking a WHM just because he's a WHM.

There'll always be a best setup and no way to perfectly balance everything, META mindset is bad and players can deal with it.. but to kick "wrong" classes is absolutely disgusting.
Glad its no issue on EU

"WHM need more direct damage reducing utilities! (like Fey Covenant or Bole, etc)...."

Why?.... Is there any AOE damaging mechanic in game that WHM can't handle with a co-healer? Or is there an AOE mech that an AST/SCH can handle but both WHM/SCH and WHM/AST can not handle (or the latter two comps struggles with in comparison)?

If you can think of an AOE dmg mech that puts WHM WITH IT'S CO-HEALER at a disadvantage to that of AST/SCH. List it for our betterment....

Then of course I'll attempt to break the mech down with actual game data (parses, videos, potencies, etc) to demonstrate why you're misinformed.





There is no AOE dmg in game a WHM (with it's co-healer) struggles to effectively mitigate. So giving WHM another direct dmg utility (on top of eye 4 eye) would not be filling a gap (we'd appreciate it for sure but we're not in NEED). WHM (with it's co-healer) has no AOE dmg mitigation issues--retroactive mitigation (aka HEALING) is still mitigation.

(The only kind of AOE damaging mech that would put WHM at a disadvantage would be a mech that required both healer to directly reduce the incoming dmg ON TOP OF PARTY MITIGATION [storm's path, delirium/dragon kick, Redmind, etc]....and that kind of mech isn't in this game so....)





P.S. for the trolls: if this is making less and less sense to you maybe it's because this is going more and more over your head

Just putting this out here, since the word META has quickly became a buzzword that everyone throws out without any thought.

Something being Meta, and something being raid relevant are two completely different things. Right now, from what we currently know, WHM isn't very raid relevant. It offers no utility and no synergy with any other jobs. On top of that, it's new heals are behind a RNG gate and even then it's tied to two of the most basic heals that WHMs in particular strive to cast less because of their very strong OGCD heals. This new system not only forces you to cast Cure/II, but it also forces you to use your OGCDs LESS in order to benefit from the lily CD reduction.

*Double posting because I'm on mobile

No one serious about raiding is going to take a healer who's power in healing is tied to RNG, on top of not offering any useful tools to the raid. It's not about WHM being the "best" for a group. It's just not competitive in any way. There's nothing a WHM offers that will turn players heads and make them go "wow, I want that power in my raid team!".

And we haven't even got into the system not being fun in the slightest. That's an entirely different issue.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Not really. I only blow Assize on cooldown now because I'm overgeared and never need it for healing anyway. With Omega prog, you will want to keep Assize for a quick aoe heal, meaning any cooldown reduction becomes meaningless if you've already planned ahead you want Assize up for a certain mechanic. That's the fundamental issue with a lot of these changes. The devs seem to think we play reactionary when we're playing preemptively.

I would make the argument that a WHM could have the foresight and if they understand the fight well enough and can see how it's evolving and make the appropriate changes to their rotation. IE, using Assize on an earlier raid buster then use Medica on the following one or using Tetra on an earlier tank buster and have Cure II primed for the following one, etc etc.

I will agree that Assize is slightly different as it doubles as a DPS ability too and you would want to attempt to save it for additional add damage if it's coming up.

Even without Assize being on a shorter cooldown I'd still argue that WHM's MP feels more sustainable than the others due to the changes to the DPS (more single target direct damage spells, hurting SCH the most) and the adjustments to LA and Aetherflow. If AST starts to use Ewer more often it means their DPS utility via Balance is reduced to compensate.