Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Aurum]

Ah haaa!! While the first point of outdated Mainheal/Offheal isn't true in current meta nor will it be true moving forward towards Speed clear farm phases in the future. The second point is very much something to consider!

I don't feel like posting more logs, but I wouldn't be surprised if we pull stats on fights where both healers contribute about the same HPS, that the distribution of skills used in that cooperation won't vary too far from the Main healer/Off healer skill distributions.

Using a specific log or two to back up your arguments on here is ridiculous in any case. If I wanted to I could cherry pick logs that supported the arguments "Good WHMs mainly use Cure3 for heals", or "Good WHMs mainly use Medica for heals".

[javid]

Using a specific log or two to back up your arguments on here is ridiculous in any case. If I wanted to I could cherry pick logs that supported the arguments "Good WHMs mainly use Cure3 for heals", or "Good WHMs mainly use Medica for heals".

This is an example of a troll... the fact that you said this means you did not go and do your homework (like my posted started off saying not to take my word for it; and then later encouraged you to do the heavily lifting yourself) and pull up the link to the full HPS page and click on parse after parse after parse after parse, while YES we can't have a conclusive report from looking at 1 to 3 parses, but if you took the time and looked up 10 or 15 of them, while still not conclusive, it would give you a general idea what may be going on.


BUT HUMOR ME...since you think the cherry picking to make a point is easy.... how about you find one that supports a different claim then what i suppose?? Should be easy right??

[Aurum]

This is an example of a troll... the fact that you said this means you did not go and do your homework (like my posted started off saying not to take my word for it; and then later encouraged you to do the heavily lifting yourself) and pull up the link to the full HPS page and click on parse after parse after parse after parse, while YES we can't have a conclusive report from looking at 1 to 3 parses, but if you took the time and looked up 10 or 15 of them, while still not conclusive, it would give you a general idea what may be going on.


BUT HUMOR ME...since you think the cherry picking to make a point is easy.... how about you find one that supports a different claim then what i suppose?? Should be easy right??

Here's an example of the power of cherry-picking to support an argument:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/ptAZz...ing&source=403

You'll notice in this log that the whm and the sch had almost identical amounts healed, and that the whm cast med2 7 times and regen 6 times for a total of 13 casts. 2 cure 2s were cast along with 3 cure 1s for a total of 5 casts. If you were going to go by this data then clearly since medica 2 and regen were cast more times total than cure 1 and cure 2 then lily stacks should be tied to med2/regen, which may not necessarily be the case.

[Kitfox]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/ptAZz...ing&source=403

Those Cure numbers are beautiful.

[Saraphin]

Those Cure numbers are beautiful.

yes, yes they were...i am not sure i get those numbers...but i think i get close on my cures in EXP roulette

[javid]

Here's an example of the power of cherry-picking to support an argument:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/ptAZz...ing&source=403

You'll notice in this log that the whm and the sch had almost identical amounts healed, and that the whm cast med2 7 times and regen 6 times for a total of 13 casts. 2 cure 2s were cast along with 3 cure 1s for a total of 5 casts. If you were going to go by this data then clearly since medica 2 and regen were cast more times total than cure 1 and cure 2 then lily stacks should be tied to med2/regen, which may not necessarily be the case.

....Didn't I clearly and repeatedly state that SCH is a bad example as a off healer? They get free pet GCD equal to 300 potency embraces... of course if u have 3 healers total, whm is gonna do less curess (less healing in general). What's more funnier is the number of drones up-voting when they clearly missed the point too.... I said several times the examples cannot use a SCH as Off healer b/c the pet does the majority of the single target healing; go to that same parse you listed...........and open the sch healing tab and count the number of embraces the pet spams.......now imagine if they weren't there? or better yet whats the equivalent of replacing those um-teen embraces with Cures/regens and alike?? This is not an example that contrary to the points i made in my post.... this was just an attempt at a cheap shot


SCH PET CASTED 89 300 POTENCY EMBRACEs.........how many cures did you expect the whm to add to that??

[Aurum]

....Didn't I clearly and repeatedly state that SCH is a bad example as a off healer? They get free pet GCD equal to 300 potency embraces... of course if u have 3 healers total, whm is gonna do less curess (less healing in general). What's more funny is the number of drones up voting when they clearly missed the point.... I said several times the examples can not use a SCH as Off healer b/c the pet does the majority of the single target healing; go to that same parse you listed...........and open the sch healing tab and count the number of embraces the pets spam.......now imagine if it wasn't there? or better yet whats the equivalent of replacing those um-teen embraces in Cures/regens and alike?? This is not an example that contrary to the points i made in my post.... this was just an attempt at a cheap shots


SCH PET CASTED 89 300 POTENCY EMBRACEs.........how many cures did you expect the whm to add to that??

Here is an example with a WHM/AST combo, in which the WHM does just over 60% of the healing:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/dp7H6...f=1&source=129

The whm in this log has 8 casts of med2 and 8 casts of regen totaling 16 casts.
In the same log, the whm casts cure 6 times and cure2 4 times totaling 10 casts.

My point here is NOT that med2 and regen are more important than cure and cure2, my point is that it's easy to find logs to support almost any position.
Why do I say it's easy? Because I only looked at one person's logs for these: Yours.

[Estriella_Faerie]

My point here is NOT that med2 and regen are more important than cure and cure2, my point is that it's easy to find logs to support almost any position.
Why do I say it's easy? Because I only looked at one person's logs for these: Yours.

You made me laugh so much ! To further your point, in that whole fight you linked, there were 10 casts of cure, which would only, on average, give 2 lilies on the total duration of the fight, not even 3 lilies. And that's considering that no spell using them would be cast for the whole fight. But it's not what happened, as there was 4 Asylum, 5 Assize and 3 Tetra. And that's with the current CD on those skills, which some will be lowered on 4.0.

But on this parse, we can see more casts of spells that consume all lilies, than of cures to get a chance to get one lily...

[Subasu]

Here is an example with a WHM/AST combo, in which the WHM does just over 60% of the healing:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/dp7H6...f=1&source=129

The whm in this log has 8 casts of med2 and 8 casts of regen totaling 16 casts.
In the same log, the whm casts cure 6 times and cure2 4 times totaling 10 casts.

My point here is NOT that med2 and regen are more important than cure and cure2, my point is that it's easy to find logs to support almost any position.
Why do I say it's easy? Because I only looked at one person's logs for these: Yours.

You are my hero

[javid]

Here is an example with a WHM/AST combo, in which the WHM does just over 60% of the healing:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/dp7H6...f=1&source=129

The whm in this log has 8 casts of med2 and 8 casts of regen totaling 16 casts.
In the same log, the whm casts cure 6 times and cure2 4 times totaling 10 casts.

My point here is NOT that med2 and regen are more important than cure and cure2, my point is that it's easy to find logs to support almost any position.
Why do I say it's easy? Because I only looked at one person's logs for these: Yours.

no you tried very hard to find an texample like this one; and notice the significant over healing done in this fight.... upwards of 42% over heal on all the gcds; bc the whm couldnt trust the AST to main heal; this wasn't an issue of whm attempting to main heal. And you look at one persons log, mine to fine one example... which proves you had to sift thru my parses to find one that supports your claim... while I only listed 3 I was able to link several more readily accessible demonstrating my suggested point....

And all these "EXAMPLES" are echo 10-15% fights.... when I only used non echo parses. And you picked one of lowest Fight HPS (which is fine under non echo but one of the lowest + 15% echo....and somehow you're convinced any view can be made from the majority of parses?) Instead of trying to troll... why just open logs NON-ECHO and just go down the page; skipping nothing but the ones with Sch OH and see if your holes stands....


https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/13#b...teMage&page=23

Here is a link list filled with the examples I was making.....but I guess all these are cherry picking???