Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Mahkii

Monk is also in a really good spot now too.

Monk is in a terrible spot. To say we're the "featured class" none of our new skills are worth a crap. I don't intend to use Fow at all, RoF buff has a terrible downside, and the 2 or 3 FCs we'll see from deep meditation does not justify all our base attacks being nerfed. I could go on but to make a long story short, after maining mnk since ps3 beta the time has come for me to begrudgingly put down my fist thingies and pick up a katana.

Originally Posted by Dirashi

Lol what are you rambling on about. You do realize that every single job in this game is fairly easy to play at an average skill level right? To be average, it doesn't take much effort. The real effort comes when if you're trying to be 80th percentile+.

Your opinion doesn't match that of SE's reports which states.... ppl find such and such jobs hard (like brd and mch) and transitioned into other jobs....plus i'm really doubtful of your analysis if you can honestly say jobs with extremely high APM and latency dependence (like Brd, Mch, nin, etc) are "simple" to manage and do raid mech's

You don't balance gameplay around perceived execution skill requirements​. You balance assuming there are equally skilled players manning each class. Sure give some characters or jobs or classes or whatever your game has a lower skill floor so beginners have an entry point to learn the fundamentals, but they should still have a similar skill ceiling. ESPECIALLY in a game like FFXIV where the character evolves and changes over time.

Originally Posted by Metsonm

You don't balance gameplay around perceived execution skill requirements​. You balance assuming there are equally skilled players manning each class. Sure give some characters or jobs or classes or whatever your game has a lower skill floor so beginners have an entry point to learn the fundamentals, but they should still have a similar skill ceiling. ESPECIALLY in a game like FFXIV where the character evolves and changes over time.

This. This so much. A low skill floor needn't be paired with a skill ceiling so low that even lalafells would have to crouch.

Originally Posted by Metsonm

You don't balance gameplay around perceived execution skill requirements​. You balance assuming there are equally skilled players manning each class. Sure give some characters or jobs or classes or whatever your game has a lower skill floor so beginners have an entry point to learn the fundamentals, but they should still have a similar skill ceiling. ESPECIALLY in a game like FFXIV where the character evolves and changes over time.

That's not quite right. You have to balance around the content of the game when challenged by equally skilled players, not just the job itself. And that's the missing factor that keeps getting ignored, the content, which we know nothing about yet.

Originally Posted by dark494

That's not quite right. You have to balance around the content of the game when challenged by equally skilled players, not just the job itself. And that's the missing factor that keeps getting ignored, the content, which we know nothing about yet.

You're right, but all classes are facing the same content and all classes are going to be clearing said content. This goes beyond just viability and into desirability so we're assuming all classes are already hitting the bare minimum.

while the salt and gloom are fun and all, I would like to point out that the testing for dungeons and savage started during may so the build they used for the press tour was not up to date to those tests

Originally Posted by Remedi

while the salt and gloom are fun and all, I would like to point out that the testing for dungeons and savage started during may so the build they used for the press tour was not up to date to those tests

many are aware of this and many of the Breakdowns of Potencies for healing/shielding/DPSing go off both the current numbers and the In Progress Numbers. it just looks quite bad for all healers except AST.