Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

**Nixxe** · 02-11-2017 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Zojha

I don't think that successful duty completion is a very good standard. Consider, there are 90 minutes on the clock. If successful duty completion was the only criterion that mattered, it would be perfectly okay for DPS to deal so little damage that it takes 85 minutes to complete the dungeon. They do their primary job (dealing damage), even if not very well, and the duty does not fail, so according to that criterion, it would be acceptable.

I think it is obvious or should be obvious that this is of course not acceptable and consequently think that this is not a suitable standard to measure by. A suitable standard should not lead to undesirable results if applied to other roles.

Despite never concerning myself with what other players are doing as long as we aren't wiping, I've managed to never have a dungeon take anywhere near 90 minutes. Something tells me your concerns aren't very realistic and I sincerely doubt there is anyone out there who just wants to auto attack the entire the dungeon, unless they're trying to troll the group.

**Taika** · 02-11-2017 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Nixxe

Despite never concerning myself with what other players are doing as long as we aren't wiping, I've managed to never have a dungeon take anywhere near 90 minutes. Something tells me your concerns aren't very realistic and I sincerely doubt there is anyone out there who just wants to auto attack the entire the dungeon, unless they're trying to troll the group.

I've seen a SCH /follow tank and drink coffee.

But yeah I guess they were doing their part good enough, right...

The example of 90 mins was about if DDs and tanks would play at the same level than the SCH here in this example. But somehow only healers get defended when they decide to do something like this.

**Nixxe** · 02-11-2017 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Taika

I've seen a SCH /follow tank and drink coffee.

But yeah I guess they were doing their part good enough, right...

The example of 90 mins was about if DDs and tanks would play at the same level than the SCH here in this example. But somehow only healers get defended when they decide to do something like this.

The faerie can reliably solo heal every dungeon up to Haukke Manor. I know because when I leveled my scholar, that's what I did, never leaving Cleric Stance ever. You may not like it, but the healer is doing their job adequately. Doing one's job adequately is not about the effort it takes, but the end result. If DPS could auto attack for damage on par with using their abilities, they'd be just as entitled to auto attack their way through every dungeon, even if it takes no effort. They can't, and indeed on many encounters there are soft or hard damage checks that need to be overcome, which will not be overcome if they do not use abilities. In order to adequately perform their job, they therefore need to use abilities, even though it takes more effort than the autofollow scholar.

Again though, I generally don't concern myself with what other people are doing unless we start wiping. Failure to try to micromanage or boss other players around has not resulted in any problems thus far and it seems unlikely that it would in the future.

**Taika** · 02-11-2017 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Nixxe

The faerie can reliably solo heal every dungeon up to Haukke Manor. I know because when I leveled my scholar, that's what I did, never leaving Cleric Stance ever. You may not like it, but the healer is doing their job adequately. Doing one's job adequately is not about the effort it takes, but the end result.

Well, I think "doing one's job adequately" requires adequate participation, and claiming someone is adequately participating and / or doing their job in content while being afk and while all other members of their party are actually participating just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Nixxe

If DPS could auto attack for damage on par with using their abilities, they'd be just as entitled to auto attack their way through every dungeon, even if it takes no effort. They can't, and indeed on many encounters there are soft or hard damage checks that need to be overcome, which will not be overcome if they do not use abilities. In order to adequately perform their job, they therefore need to use abilities, even though it takes more effort than the autofollow scholar.

But if there are no DPS checks, why should the DDs put in more effort than auto-attacking? Isn't it adequate by your argument, if they just clear the dungeon in 90 mins then?

And how about the DPS checks that require tank and healer DPS, such as the last boss of Antitower (where both DDs are turned into dolls and the group will wipe unless the tank and/or healer do DPS)?

**Nixxe** · 02-11-2017 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Taika

Well, I think "doing one's job adequately" requires adequate participation, and claiming someone is adequately participating and / or doing their job in content while being afk and while all other members of their party are actually participating just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

But if there are no DPS checks, why should the DDs put in more effort than auto-attacking? Isn't it adequate by your argument, if they just clear the dungeon in 90 mins then?

And how about the DPS checks that require tank and healer DPS, such as the last boss of Antitower (where both DDs are turned into dolls and the group will wipe unless the tank and/or healer do DPS)?

I'm sufficiently confident that other players are enough like me to not want to make things take twenty times longer than they need to, especially content they've done many times before, that I'm not the least bit worried I'll ever encounter that situation. Even if I did, like I said, I'm really not interested in complaining at people unless they're hindering success to such a degree that it threatens completion.

If the encounter is designed to require healer DPS, then the healer should DPS. Again, this is all part of adequacy. However, most of the time the healer really doesn't need to DPS. It's just a convenience that speeds up the run a bit.

**Cinno** · 02-11-2017 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Nixxe

The faerie can reliably solo heal every dungeon up to Haukke Manor. I know because when I leveled my scholar, that's what I did