3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

[Dimitrii]

Last night I had an unranked healer in 13 of 16 matches. It's always fun as a melee to be paired with new and inexperienced healers with the current meta being to ALWAYS burn the melee first since they never have the defense buff. It was so bad I started conceding the attack buff as well (something I never do unless there's a war on my team) since I wasn't living for more than 10 to 15 seconds at the start of engagements anyway. Couple that with all these fking nins on primal pretty much guarenteeing an advantage at the start of the match since they can use hide to avoid this new meta while DRG and MNK can't (though monk at least can pop fist of earth, on drg either I stand and die or try to kite and do no dmg in the process).

[SaveTheSunF1R3x]

Damn this morning was brutal. Game after game i had to compete with the top sch on primal. I won a few but it was exhausting as hell due to the fact the dude does not let up. Overall i think it improved my game which is good. now to get to silver > >

[TetsuyaHikari]

Most irritating is seeing people come in, not use PVP abilities at all, wearing PVE gear ONLY (PVE gear by itself is good but not good enough) and then fail to pay attention to medal counts. Further, I speculate they haven't upgraded their Mind/Peity or Vit/Int under the PVP menus. I think many bronze players get screwed over by this factor when trying to reach silver. Often I'll get silver tier to run against and do very well. Then I get put in a match with barely Bronze players and it looks like I just picked up the game for the first time. Can't cast, can't stay alive, opposing healer with 200+ medals and other DPS is going after caster with 25. Something has to change with the ranking system. Going from a 70% win percentage down to 40% makes anyone want to quit PVPing.

Actually, PvP gear is shit for this mode, unfortunately, so yeah... You would actually be better off with PvE gear here. Unfortunately, the PvP gear is what's not "good enough" here. It bothers me more when players come in there in full PvP gear, thinking their morale and shit actually makes a difference, when it doesn't, lol. Blame SE for that though.

I'll agree with your point about that PvP abilities though. It seems a lot of people just simply forget they have them. Also, something definitely does need to change because we're having entirely too many good players getting screwed out of wins because of scrubs.

Last night I had an unranked healer in 13 of 16 matches. It's always fun as a melee to be paired with new and inexperienced healers with the current meta being to ALWAYS burn the melee first since they never have the defense buff. It was so bad I started conceding the attack buff as well (something I never do unless there's a war on my team) since I wasn't living for more than 10 to 15 seconds at the start of engagements anyway. Couple that with all these fking nins on primal pretty much guarenteeing an advantage at the start of the match since they can use hide to avoid this new meta while DRG and MNK can't (though monk at least can pop fist of earth, on drg either I stand and die or try to kite and do no dmg in the process).

Yeah... I always get focused pretty damn hard in the beginning as a NIN since I grab the offense buff. Even after that though, I see people constantly focusing me anyway and I'm like "wtf? why me again?", lol. A NIN hiding at the beginning really isn't something you should be worrying about though.

What becomes really problematic is when we have 4 or more stacks and we're hiding towards the end, heh.

EDIT: Welp, the rankings for today just updated and it finally happened... I'm no longer even listed in the top 100 any more. It happened just like I said it would. The bronze have been flushed out tonight and now only silver remains. Unfortunately... I have the lowest amount of points I can have in silver right now, so I'm not even listed any more. I told myself I was supposed to get 800 points by this point in order to stay on the ladder, but I only broke 600 once and I've been going back and forth since then, barely even able to maintain 500 now.

The top 10 seems like it's further and further away now, so I'm not even sure what the hell I'm supposed to do at this point since you need at least 925 points (on Primal anyway) to even be in the top 10 now.

[Kael_Raiju]

Actually, PvP gear is shit for this mode

Disagree: If you're a BLM you should be up on Crit and Spell Speed. Forget ACC. BiS requires a couple of pieces of PVP gear. None the less, being that gear is synced to 150 anyhow, I default back to the PVP abilities as being one of the biggest problems coupled with the lack of PVP attribute points being spent. I think SE needs to do a better job of introducing people to PVP since it's a relative shadow to most. Either because they got rekt their first few times and never picked it up again or it's overly confusing for most, which if that's the case, then why are they even pvping in the first place.... oh that's right, LORE..... >.>

[TetsuyaHikari]

Disagree: If you're a BLM you should be up on Crit and Spell Speed. Forget ACC. BiS requires a couple of pieces of PVP gear. None the less, being that gear is synced to 150 anyhow, I default back to the PVP abilities as being one of the biggest problems coupled with the lack of PVP attribute points being spent. I think SE needs to do a better job of introducing people to PVP since it's a relative shadow to most. Either because they got rekt their first few times and never picked it up again or it's overly confusing for most, which if that's the case, then why are they even pvping in the first place.... oh that's right, LORE..... >.>

It's because of the i150 level sync that any of that PvP gear you get will be shit compared to anything you meld outside of PvP. You'd be better off just using gear post-i150 and melding the appropriate materia to it and have a PvP setup VS a PvE setup. PvP gear hasn't been relevant in a loooooooooooooooooooooong time, man. If you come into The Feast wearing any of the PvP gear, people are probably going to laugh at your ass, ask you what you're doing, and probably call you a noob.

Again though, blame SE for introducing gear to this mode which is about as useful as a wet paper bag though. If it was more viable, I'd be right there agreeing with you, but it's not and until it is... You probably shouldn't be wearing it.

[Dimitrii]

It's because of the i150 level sync that any of that PvP gear you get will be shit compared to anything you meld outside of PvP. You'd be better off just using gear post-i150 and melding the appropriate materia to it and have a PvP setup VS a PvE setup. PvP gear hasn't been relevant in a loooooooooooooooooooooong time, man. If you come into The Feast wearing any of the PvP gear, people are probably going to laugh at your ass, ask you what you're doing, and probably call you a noob.

PVP gear is only good in the sense that it generally doesn't have all that excess accuracy lore gear has. Thus ppl use it to min/max the stats they want (generally trying to max crit and then det on most dps). Of course no full set of PVP gear is gonna be the optimal set to wear that's why you mix and match and given that the ilvl sync is so low there's no shortage of gear to play with. I'm not sure what you mean when you mention the melds on PVE raiding gear as its disabled and useless in PVP. Most sets will consist of a mix of pvp and pve gear depending on the stats on said gear and what the person is trying to max.

[xxczx]

It's because of the i150 level sync that any of that PvP gear you get will be shit compared to anything you meld outside of PvP. You'd be better off just using gear post-i150 and melding the appropriate materia to it and have a PvP setup VS a PvE setup.

You don't even know what you're talking about lmao

what does it say when you enter any PvP zone?

oh

yeah

※While synced, all item stats are adjusted. During PvP, materia bonuses are also ignored.

[aeoncs]

PvP gear hasn't been relevant in a loooooooooooooooooooooong time, man. If you come into The Feast wearing any of the PvP gear, people are probably going to laugh at your ass, ask you what you're doing, and probably call you a noob.

So all the top tier / top 10 players on pretty much every data center are noobs then, huh? Yeah... no. Almost all of them, or at least the tanks and DDs, are wearing 3-6 pieces of 180/205 PvP gear to optimize their stats. If you wanna come across like a smartass, at least get your facts straight.

[kisada]

what a really out of touch and uneducated statement

[xTysonx]

Most sets will consist of a mix of pvp and pve gear depending on the stats on said gear and what the person is trying to max.

This, I'll use the MCH 220 BiS helm (dex :68 vit:78 acc:62 sks:43) for PvE vs the MCH 205 PvP head (dex:60 vit:63 det:53 sks:39) as examples. Killing off accuracy to maximize the sync of my det is more optimal for PvP. As others stated, a full set isn't good or useful with the no morale/no materia rule, however, you can aim to maximize your lower spectrum stats on sync with a fusion of pve/pvp gear.