3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

**Adventica6** · 05-13-2016 11:50 PM

Thanks yoshi, you tell those mean pvp players to watch their mouths! <3

**MrPresident** · 05-14-2016 12:48 AM

Come on Yoshi.

If you banned parsers there wouldn't be groups of people going "oh no what about Teamspeak?!"

Other than that it all sounds good, in theory at least. Less abuse and less cheating is always a good thing. As well as the much needed Dark Knight buff!

**xxczx** · 05-14-2016 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by MrPresident

Come on Yoshi.

If you banned parsers there wouldn't be groups of people going "oh no what about Teamspeak?!"

If you actually read the message, he is saying that they will be using different encryption for PvP to make parsers not work in PvP but still work in PvE.

and I'm not sure what you're getting at with Teamspeak, must be pretty good solo Qs you're doing when the team is on Teamspeak.

**Canadane** · 05-14-2016 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

■Ranked Matchmaking Ranges■
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Should you have any comments or suggestions regarding this issue, we invite you to submit them.

Why not have this matchmaking based off rating, not tier? Tier can be fine for issuing rewards and a general glance at someones rank. But because tiers can have overlapping rating points, it's not the best indication of where someone currently is, comparatively speaking.

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

■Job Balance■
At this time, we are planning to make several adjustments, in particular to strengthen both dark knight and ninja in PvP, with patch 3.3. These adjustments are still being tested internally, and so we ask that you please wait a little longer.

I was going to wait until the end of the season, but I figure nows a good time for some feedback. There's been quite the statement on healers, regarding our inability to really affect the battle as it's all on the DPS burst. However, if you feel that healing in general is as it should be, I'd suggest looking at Scholar at the very least. It seems to be the least appropriate for The Feast. The shields take longer to cast than AST, the regens not at on-demand as WHM or AST, and the general cure potency overall is lesser than WHM, especially considering WHMs pvp skills. Once your Lustrates are used up, unless you're willing to disperse your faerie you've got a tactical disadvantage comparatively speaking top the other healer types. And then without your faerie you've got no recovery from low HP Attunement use.

I'm trying my best to continue the rank climb as Scholar but I can feel the real pressure from the limitations of the job. I struggle between rationalizing it as my own skill or a fundamental issue with Scholar in PvP. As I see it, Scholar is an amazing supporting healer for PvP, not the best main healer. I have never felt the pressure in other level 60 pvp modes, but this was because I've usually had a co-healer to keep the HP flowing properly. Scholar excels at quick spot heals, but time after time again I end up in deadlock matches when the DPS cannot land a kill for some reason or another, and it's obvious the two with the proper mindset are the opposing healers. It's not until I see 5 (or more!) Culling Time stacks, it's to the point where I cannot out-heal the opposing healer if it's a WHM or an AST. Normally I wouldn't make such generalized statements, but it's happened on multiple occasions to me, including both high and low ranked DPS comrades.

When I look up at what I just wrote out, it comes off as more of a rant than anything perhaps. But I hope you accept the feedback one way or another.

**Rufalus** · 05-14-2016 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by MrPresident

Come on Yoshi.

If you banned parsers there wouldn't be groups of people going "oh no what about Teamspeak?!"

Originally Posted by xxczx

If you actually read the message, he is saying that they will be using different encryption for PvP to make parsers not work in PvP but still work in PvE.

and I'm not sure what you're getting at with Teamspeak, must be pretty good solo Qs you're doing when the team is on Teamspeak.

MrP was referring to the line:
As prohibiting the use of third-party tools can lead some to confusion (”Are chat programs prohibited?” “What falls within the definition of “third-party tool?”)

So he was just saying he doubts that players will be confused about the distinction between parsers and chat programs like TeamSpeak when the developers talk about outlawing third-party tools.

**Nalien** · 05-14-2016 01:11 AM

I dare not get excited about Dark Knight adjustments again... The Tar Pit and Carnal Chill changes were nice, but they did nothing to address the real problem with Dark Knight, at this point I'd really just hope for Manadraw instead of Enliven and/or a reduction in the cost of Dark Arts... MP management is the key to playing Dark Knight well in Feast, it's the difference between being an absolutely terrible waste of a slot, and being OK...

**Februs** · 05-14-2016 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Nalien

I dare not get excited about Dark Knight adjustments again... The Tar Pit and Carnal Chill changes were nice, but they did nothing to address the real problem with Dark Knight, at this point I'd really just hope for Manadraw instead of Enliven and/or a reduction in the cost of Dark Arts... MP management is the key to playing Dark Knight well in Feast, it's the difference between being an absolutely terrible waste of a slot, and being OK...

Totally. Though, at least they are continuing to make adjustments instead of sticking to the typical corporate nonsense of "it's working as intended." That's good. It's also good to see that they're still listening to the feedback. I wasn't expecting any responses to player harassment and third party tools; so, that's a pleasant surprise as well.

That said, I still see no remarks about PvP gear and the Wolf Mark system. SE, can we PLEASE get some dev feedback on this? I don't think we're asking for a lot when we ask for an actual purpose for Wolf Marks. You update your PvE vendors almost every patch and have added a gear mender to Wolves Den Pier (thanks for that, by the way). Surely it can't be too difficult to make Wolf Marks meaningful and useful.

**Rufalus** · 05-14-2016 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Februs

I don't think we're asking for a lot when we ask for an actual purpose for Wolf Marks. You update your PvE vendors almost every patch and have added a gear mender to Wolves Den Pier (thanks for that, by the way). Surely it can't be too difficult to make Wolf Marks meaningful and useful.

I use wolf marks for desynthesis. Gives me skill points and sometimes produces fairly valuable items, such as Astral Oil from the IL 180 SCH/SMN weapons.

Alternative is just submit the gear pieces to Grand Company for company seals, spend those on ventures, dark matter, consumables or crafting materials.

**Februs** · 05-14-2016 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Rufalus

I use wolf marks for desynthesis.

Yeah. That has been the common method for using Wolf Marks since they took Morale out of the game, and, quite frankly, it shows just how dumb and inefficient the system is. We are, quite literally, money laundering our own Wolf Marks just so we can use them for something. Wolf Marks should have an immediate value, not a 3 to 4 step conversion process for a diminished return.

**Exira** · 05-14-2016 03:27 AM

And what are You going to do about the people on Aether light party leaderboard? people are purposely boosting by playing with unranked teammates to get more points for beating new players instead of the alloted 1 point/game. They know what they are doing and they are gaming the system on purpose. Very remiscent of win trading as you never see them queueing at any sort of reasonable time :/

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