Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[EnoraTaqa]

I agree, yet Enochian sucks hardcore. Enough for me to completely quit playing my BLM after I got it to 60. Way to ruin the fun SE.

Same for MCH and BRD with their new set of skills: We all complain, but I view it as an opportunity to try something new, and so far, for my boyfriend, he says it ain't bad.

It's not the same Laziness for BRDs as it were, but he's ok with it, since it's not his main

I'm sure they'll bring us something new once again, can't wait to see!!

[Kaurie]

Same for MCH and BRD with their new set of skills: We all complain, but I view it as an opportunity to try something new, and so far, for my boyfriend, he says it ain't bad.

It's not the same Laziness for BRDs as it were, but he's ok with it, since it's not his main

I'm sure they'll bring us something new once again, can't wait to see!!

Quite possibly.

I went from loving so many jobs that I couldn't decide on a main and kept job hopping in 2.x, to hating almost every job except Summoner in 3.x. I find WHM and SCH are also quite fun, but I just enjoy healing less than I used to, not sure why.

IMO BRD, NIN, DRG, BLM were all ruined for me via new skillsets
both tanking and healing became less interesting to me (again not sure why, but I used to love popping on my PLD for a dungeon run - now I don't. This could be more me than the game, not sure.)
MCH copied BRD, so same deal
Was never a fan of MNK

When I first hit 60 with my DRG I didn't even know the extra job quests for level 52-60 existed, and didn't find out about it for a couple weeks.

Frankly, that is rather embarrassing.

With all the dodging mechanics in HW endgame I can see how some BLM would not even bother trying to use Enochian.

IMO that is a perfect excuse of why you may suck at it. For not wanting to use it? I think the excuse is more that it just isn't fun. If you want to play well use it, but if you want to have fun, play a different job. (can you tell I hate this?)

[Reilyn]

Le sigh, people will someday realise that by giving advice in an insulting manner (yes calling people bots is insulting) you don't tend to get the desired result. It's called people skills but for some reason the sort of people who start threads like these completely lack them.

He didn't call the person a bot. He asked a yes or no question if they are, or are not sometime after the first boss. Learn to read.

It's a legitimate question if your group already spent upwards of 10 minutes in the dungeon without so much as anything that resembles a human greeting. Again, people need to stop being overly sensitive over nothing.

He then followed it with 'why are you not using X?', which isn't insulting at all.



People skills should not include coddling the worst parts of the persona such as undeserved pride, and ego, and accepting being told to shut up by those you try to help.

Who really needs the people skills? The OP, or the group he tried to help, and got ragged on for it? Read that convo again and tell me who really cast the first stone.

[Lethallin]

IMO BRD, NIN, DRG, BLM were all ruined via new skillsets

Wait, NIN? How?

Armor crush instead of Aeolian Edge sometimes, Dream Within a Dream as an ability during your heavy DPS phase, and Duality for an Aeolian Edge in that same heavy DPS phase.

What changed about them so much in your mind? The 2 threat abilities can be ignored in most parties.

[Kaurie]

Wait, NIN? How?

Armor crush instead of Aeolian Edge sometimes, Dream Within a Dream as an ability during your heavy DPS phase, and Duality for an Aeolian Edge in that same heavy DPS phase.

What changed about them so much in your mind? The 2 threat abilities can be ignored in most parties.

I really don't like positionals as a combat mechanic. I think it's lazy and uninspired complexity for the sake of complexity. I'd much rather positional damage be related to encounter mechanics than combat mechanics. For example, hitting a giant turtle on it's back should do less damage. I dislike that they got a positional added to their rotation, albeit just the one. I also don't think any of their new skills seemed interesting enough to counter that, so imo it was a net deficit.

[Reilyn]

I really don't like positionals as a combat mechanic. I think it's lazy and uninspired complexity for the sake of complexity. I'd much rather positional damage be related to encounter mechanics than combat mechanics. For example, hitting a giant turtle on it's back should do less damage. I dislike that they got a positional added to their rotation, albeit just the one. I also don't think any of their new skills seemed interesting enough to counter that, so imo it was a net deficit.

I may dislike positionals as much as the next person, but 'ruined' still doesn't apply to NIN's new skillset. With proper management, it just means you don't have to waste mudra CD on recasting huton.

[File2ish]

He didn't call the person a bot. He asked a yes or no question if they are, or are not sometime after the first boss. Learn to read.

It's a legitimate question if your group already spent upwards of 10 minutes in the dungeon without so much as anything that resembles a human greeting. Again, people need to stop being overly sensitive over nothing.

He then followed it with 'why are you not using X?', which isn't insulting at all.



People skills should not include coddling the worst parts of the persona such as undeserved pride, and ego, and accepting being told to shut up by those you try to help.

Who really needs the people skills? The OP, or the group he tried to help, and got ragged on for it? Read that convo again and tell me who really cast the first stone.

Referring back to my post on page 12 of this thread.

[Seraphix2407]

Then don't pretend this is some sort of raid situation. The OP was in the midst of a tirade that bothered other members of the party and would have hung in the air until the rest of the run. And the player had someone in their FC, so if it did come to a vote, it wasn't going to end in OP's favor anyway.

So yeah, sometimes you do in fact need to consider whether complaining about the extra minutes is worth getting kicked or rolling the dice on a rep. especially if you are going to get heated and complain about playstyles and how people have low standards and blah blah blah. That is not time management, that is tempting fate.

Well I agree on the first part. Also yes some people can be a bit harsh when it comes to telling or asking people why they dont use propper rotation or skills. It's like what has been told, some people doesn't really know well and some people (sadly) doesn't care and just do it for fun. Yes you play game for fun, but also doing it wrong and you KNOW it and people kindly ask you to improve or simply trying to help you out (because they either play the class themselves or read guides for it), but the person refuses and keeps going. I'm saying this as in general play, not raids or duty finders, as mentioned, you cant expect top players in duty finder, after all that's what you get, randoms who can or cannot use rotations propely.

However, it's like this guy I met in dusk vigil once, i kindly asked him to switch gear to the higher ilvl so the run could go even faster, since he was using lvl 39-42 gear. He said woops, wrong gear, but then at the end I saw him keep wearing it and he said, sorry I have no gear... Why would you say u were using wrong gear then keep wasting peoples time, because its fun to do it? I know this thread isn't excactly about that, but sometimes I just think people do it on purpose, which sucks. Then again I'm sorry I went off harsh on you, it' wasn't intended but I get annoyed when people do things in purpose, and I talk about being bad on purpose and then say it's just a game or for fun.

[RiceisNice]

Referring back to my post on page 12 of this thread.

We're not talking about optimal rotations though, because in the OP's example, we're talking about someone that's straight up not using a skill that grants bonuses just for using it.. And in this game, the skills practically get auto-placed into your skill bar anyway and the job ones have a cutscene that display you acquiring said skill.

And honestly, I have seen my fair share of botting in dungeons, especially if they do not respond to my question (which may be striaght up "are you a bot?") or "hit no if you aren't a bot" ready checks. You'd only take offense to it if you truly get offended by it (which goes for almost anything, not this specifically) and if you actually want to make a big deal out of it; it takes two sides to start a dispute like this.

[Reilyn]

Referring back to my post on page 12 of this thread.

1st paragraph: I understand that.

2nd: OP gave his reason why he was somewhat qualified to instruct someone on how to BLM when he was asked the question 'wanna tell a dps how to dps?'. You can read it in whatever tone you want, but all that is there are words over the internet, and they say nothing more than 'yes, because I have BLM at 60' therefore he likely has an idea on how to help that BLM get better.

Before that from what we see, all he did was ask 'are you a bot?' (a yes or no question, which was answered sarcastically anyway), and 'why are you not using enochian?' which another party member chose to deflect with another question that more often than not leads into a credibility attack.

Also, the qualifier for bringing up the issue is someone's intentional non-willingness to use an ability who's effect is literally 'you do more damage', not the fact he has a lvl60 BLM. I do the same with DRGs that never use heavy thrust or disembowel. He only brought up his lvl60 BLM AFTER he was asked 'wanna tell a dps how to dps'. I wouldn't bring up my DRG's level unless asked because it doesn't even take a level capped player to understand there's something wrong with that picture.