Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Torunya]

I don't think it would matter who the news came from. If the first thing they respond with after someone is trying to give them advice is an insult, then it's quite obvious that they don't even want to try. Being new is one thing, but actively ignoring information that would help you? That's just rubbish.

I mean for god's sake, how hard is it to accept advice? Hang in there OP, it's going to be okay. Just breathe.

[Jynx]

Why does everyone who complains about bad people think that they get a "Pass" for being bad. Nobody likes a bad DPS, just as much as nobody likes a bad tank or healer it is however a reality that there are alot of people who play the game who aren't going to play at your standards.

Nobody is getting a "Pass" and it's not just DPS who are bad.

[Jim_Berry]

I know this might not be the whole conversation, but giving the OP the benefit of the doubt here. When someone wants to respond with the tired old defense of 'are you telling me how to play my class?', followed by 'shut up' (I've gotten this before whenever I pick out the occasional 50s and 60s that still don't know how their job works as if they didn't level it), the person deserves no sympathy. I asked a DRG much the same question in arbetorium the other week, and he wanted to learn, so I taught him what I could without slowing down the run.

If not me, if not the OP, SOMEONE will call them out/question them on their dps. Treating anyone who is possibly reaching out to help you like that in a 4 man where there's less pressure before you risk wasting even more people's time in harder content is self-destructive pride, willing ignorance, stupidity, and just plain being an ungrateful jerk.

Mentally, some of us just simply feel like, if you're on Job A and I'm on Job B, you must really not be doing much at all if you can let auto-attack kick it while you type lol... I'm usually quiet in dungeons, because someone ALWAYS find something to say. NIN (me) and DRG in a dungeon. Tank pulls three mobs. I Mutilate and Shadowfang each mob BEFORE focusing on burning a single mob down. Why? Because I wanted to try something different. They WHM stopped healing the tank to tell me to just focus on burning the same mob as the DRG. WHM had to use Benediction because he was too busy typing.

[TheUltimateSeph]

With how fast people can level now days thanks to how easy SE has made it to get to 60 it's really not that hard to understand how people can not be comfortable or all that knowledgeable about their classes end game skills when they first reach end game. Give them a few weeks to start learning and get comfortable with it. When I first hit 60 with my DRG I didn't even know the extra job quests for level 52-60 existed, and didn't find out about it for a couple weeks. Thankfully the person who told me was very nice about the whole thing and while keeping BoD up (which I'm told is like an easy version of Enochian *shudders*) isn't always fun or practical I do love seeing the extra dps I can put out with it now. With all the dodging mechanics in HW endgame I can see how some BLM would not even bother trying to use Enochian. But them who am I to speculate. >_< I'll have more to say when I get my BLM to 60.

[Jim_Berry]

Why does everyone who complains about bad people think that they get a "Pass" for being bad. Nobody likes a bad DPS, just as much as nobody likes a bad tank or healer it is however a reality that there are alot of people who play the game who aren't going to play at your standards.

Nobody is getting a "Pass" and it's not just DPS who are bad.

+1

I love you, man.

[Jim_Berry]

With how fast people can level now days thanks to how easy SE has made it to get to 60 it's really not that hard to understand how people can not be comfortable or all that knowledgeable about their classes end game skills when they first reach end game. Give them a few weeks to start learning and get comfortable with it. When I first hit 60 with my DRG I didn't even know the extra job quests for level 52-60 existed, and didn't find out about it for a couple weeks. Thankfully the person who told me was very nice about the whole thing and while keeping BoD up (which I'm told is like an easy version of Enochian *shudders*) isn't always fun or practical I do love seeing the extra dps I can put out with it now. With all the dodging mechanics in HW endgame I can see how some BLM would not even bother trying to use Enochian. But them who am I to speculate. >_< I'll have more to say when I get my BLM to 60.

Same thing with BRD's Wanderer's Minuet. I personally start with Straight Shot THEN pop on WM. I do this to get the Straight Shot applied quickly (too many times have I started Straight Shot with WM and the tank runs off with the mob, or the mob runs behind me). Someone in a dungeon telling me to stop rather than asking me why is grounds for ignoring. I don't play a dungeon the same way I play a Primal or Alexander, you know.

[Jim_Berry]

I don't think it would matter who the news came from. If the first thing they respond with after someone is trying to give them advice is an insult, then it's quite obvious that they don't even want to try. Being new is one thing, but actively ignoring information that would help you? That's just rubbish.

I mean for god's sake, how hard is it to accept advice? Hang in there OP, it's going to be okay. Just breathe.

Well, OP assumed BLM was a bot. On top of that, the BLM probably felt like an attack was approaching, and responded with "shut up", which WAS wrong. OP then made it seem like it's, "I got that job at Level 60, now listen to me". Um, I have PLD to Lv60, but no one care because as far as they're concerned, it might be a FATE-leveled PLD lol...

[Jim_Berry]

There's a saying that if you CAN'T tolerate different playstyles, don't join Duty Finder.

[Reilyn]

Mentally, some of us just simply feel like, if you're on Job A and I'm on Job B, you must really not be doing much at all if you can let auto-attack kick it while you type lol... I'm usually quiet in dungeons, because someone ALWAYS find something to say. NIN (me) and DRG in a dungeon. Tank pulls three mobs. I Mutilate and Shadowfang each mob BEFORE focusing on burning a single mob down. Why? Because I wanted to try something different. They WHM stopped healing the tank to tell me to just focus on burning the same mob as the DRG. WHM had to use Benediction because he was too busy typing.

I might not detect that, and even if I did, I'd let that slide because it make some sort of sense (not about to run numbers in my head when I'm SCH dpsing).

Things that do make me put someone under the microscope include: no heavy thrust buff, no dancing edge/storm's, no maim, no disembowel. Basically, not doing the obvious stuff makes me question if a player does anything else right. That's the only reason I paid enough attention to one lvl50 DRG that was pressing buttons literally at random in stone vigil hard mode

There never was a single disembowel for that whole run, but a great many random impulse drives.

[FlareR]

People people, the fight was between the bard(OP) and the tank. All I did was suggest another way of saying something and maybe it wouldn't have turned into a big deal in there. I never say I thought he was wrong and shouldn't have said anything. I was trying to explain to him why it happened. After he said something to the BLM SHE USED ENOCHAIN on the next trash pull. The issue was DONE. But the tank who was with the blm stood up for their friend and the brd and tank argued.

I said the following in the chat, "It doesn't matter who has what 60" and "Lets do this." I stayed neutral in the whole thing because I just wanted to finish the dungeon so I could get closer to finishing my relic.

I guess my whole point in the matter was, it wasn't serious enough to post on the forums since the blm wasn't the one arguing with him about it and since the issue was resolved. I was only talking about their childish fight. Not attacking him because he did chose to say something. I'm glad he did, but the fight that ensued was not necessary.