Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Ashkendor]

The same could be turned around as well though, some people run into the duty finder expecting everyone to be knowledgeable about every detail of a dungeon and every intricacy of their job.

True. You can't go in expecting everyone to perform as if they were clearing A4S. As for myself, I expect two things:

1) for people to actually try to the best of their ability
2) for people to take friendly advice graciously

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

Unfortunately even my simple expectations turn out to be too much for some people. -.-

[Reilyn]

The developers inherently whether they want to or not promote this kind of behavior part in parcel to how the duty finder itself works. If players had to deal with the social repercussions of being utterly terrible at their job as a DPS/Healer/Tank the amount of people who just don't care would be down dramatically.

The drive-by nature of the duty finder lets people get away with not doing their job because other than the odd dismissal they don't get any blowback at all and because there are no punishments for their character they can repeat this cycle ad-neasuem. If the game required you to group up with others by making a party like the party finder then you know you are accountable for your actions (Socially at least).

It's a shame that most people who haven't come from years of WoW don't understand how true this is, and how effective it was at making people strive to get better. At least 9/10 players ran recount (in truth, everyone I knew ran it).

[Cherie]

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

Not really, if you had four people that all behaved the way described in the same group, they would likely not be able to finish the dungeon. They expect someone else to pick up the slack for them and that is annoying.

Something like that happened today, I was leveling my astro and was in Quarn via a roulette. Bard plays ballad the ENTIRE run, I ask him politely to stop: "Thank you for playing ballad, however, I don't need it for this dungeon, you can turn it off and focus dps". He doesn't respond, and after he goes and faceplants and dies from not following the group a few times, he turns it back on immediately when he rezzes.

Then first boss, it's the boss that puts "Doom" on people and they have to go clear it by stepping on the square. Everyone but me dies, then wipe, try again. I explain how it works, no one says anything back to me. Everyone dies again....etc.

I've come to expect people to either say something incredibly rude or not talk at all.

"If you don't have anything horrible to say,then don't say anything at all" right?

I just leave dungeons like that. I give everyone a fair shot to do what they are supposed to do, but after a few tries or someone mouths off, I just leave and take the penalty. It's my right to leave after all. I don't need any heavy handed person telling me it's my duty to try to carry people that won't listen/communicate or even be polite.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I still get lvl 50 drgs that don't use heavy thrust...

I had one that only spammed the full thrust combo for an entire dungeon.

I gave up trying to help people since they never respond well to feedback, even when its not confrontational.

[TheUltimateSeph]

But aren't the level 60 dungeons exactly what the game and the people are expecting from you - Doing a acceptable performance?
Sure, 'doing them for fun' is fine. But usually you do them 'for fun' only once, for the sake of MSQ progress.

Gardening is 'fun', decorating your home is 'fun', glamoring is 'fun' to some extent. No one will call you out on that.

But if you start doing the dungeons/roulettes for the sake of loot/gear/tomes, aka progress, you better put your back in it.

I'm probably misunderstanding you. Are you comparing something involving real life work like gardening to grinding tomestones for progress in a game and implying that gardening is easy while playing the game for progresses sake should be taken more seriously?

[Ashkendor]

I'm probably misunderstanding you. Are you comparing something involving real life work like gardening to grinding tomestones for progress in a game and implying that gardening is easy while playing the game for progresses sake should be taken more seriously?

They're talking about ingame gardening, which is pretty simple.

[Andrea]

I'm probably misunderstanding you. Are you comparing something involving real life work like gardening to grinding tomestones for progress in a game and implying that gardening is easy while playing the game for progresses sake should be taken more seriously?

He's saying gardening in game i believe. And I agree with him, its 100% rude to go in and waste other peoples time because "I didn't feel like using my buffs" or "Im feeling lazy today, less than 400DPS it is."

[Anienai]

A ton of Balmung players posting here.

[AnaviAnael]

I'm not the only one who sees much of this community and yoshida's own viewpoint on damage parsers some time ago has a major problem in backwards thinking, and mentalities reflective of SJWs at the cost of leaving players ignorant, and silencing people who want to make people aware they need to improve because feelings may be hurt. I'm just less tolerant of it as time goes on, and I'm tired of mincing words. Sue me.

You aren't the only one. To be fair though, I think things have simply gotten worse since HW's release.

A ton of Balmung players posting here.

Let's be honest, the Aether data center has a lot of bad players. X_X

[TheUltimateSeph]

As was already posted in this thread. And every other thread like it:

Hope this isn't a double post, my post about not being embarrassed wasn't supposed to be taken as I just don't give a damn. It means I'm not going to let it get to me or make a big deal out of not knowing things about the game or performing to others standards. I will always try to play my classes better but if I screw something up or not play a class right I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. If that makes sense. Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.