Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Moomba33]

Well this topic has certainly exploded.

I agree that a 60 BLM not using enochian at all is pretty bad.
However, starting the conversation by asking if they were a bot didn't really set the stage for them to be receptive to advice.

To me how quickly the conversation became hostile is worse than the poor play (Not just blaming the topic creator here, the insults from the tank(?) towards him are unacceptable).

Can't really expect the community to improve when advice isn't given constructively or received graciously.

[Andrea]

Can't really expect the community to improve when advice isn't given constructively or received graciously.

Serious question though, Should it be the communities job to teach people how to play their supposedly main class when there is already a ton of stuff online?

If someone is too lazy to google "FFXIV Black Mage rotation Heavensward" then clearly they don't really want to learn and are ok with how they are playing that they most likely don't want advice.

It literally takes 10 seconds to google that.

[Moomba33]

Serious question though, Should it be the communities job to teach people how to play their supposedly main class when there is already a ton of stuff online?

If someone is too lazy to google "FFXIV Black Mage rotation Heavensward" then clearly they don't really want to learn and are ok with how they are playing that they most likely don't want advice.

It literally takes 10 seconds to google that.

Honestly? When I first started playing ARR, I never would have thought to look up a guide for playing my job well.
I'm on console with no parser so I never know how my DPS is and I mostly played with friends so I didn't have other people commenting on my performance. Looking back on it now I realize I was pretty terrible for the first few months. I only started improving once I got to 8 man content and saw other people with my job using abilities I ignored so I started making an effort to use them too. I didn't look at any actual guides until Heavensward when I wanted to see recommendations for how to incorporate new abilities.

I guess it isn't really fair to expect other people to teach you how to play, but I can certainly understand how someone could get really far without knowing. Solo instances are not punishing and if you're someone like me who mostly plays single player games looking at a job guide might just not cross your mind.

[zosia]

The amount of baddie apologist in these threads amazes me. I told myself that it was pointless to keep posting on these forums but this thread did it! These apologist dragged me back in. Can the SJW oriented players around here please understand that no one has a god given right not to be offended?

The offending BLM sucked.

The OP wanted to offer up constructive help.

The OP was misconstrued since tone is often lost in translation of brief communication.

The bad BLM gets butt hurt and abuses the vote kick system because their ego is so fragile that any criticism offered instantly has to turn into a cat fight.

The OP posts his experiences and shows us why the collective skill of the FFXIV player base is a joke in contrast to any other MMO.

Then, People attack the OP for being rude?

This game....
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I can't even XD you guys are just too much!

Can you baddie apologist please stop supporting sub par gameplay for the sake of an argument that there may be some far removed scenario where an MMO player is unable to learn their class because of naivety? JFC is it so much to ask that people google "ffxiv blm rotation"? I guess so!

[DGladius]

Serious question though, Should it be the communities job to teach people how to play their supposedly main class when there is already a ton of stuff online?

If someone is too lazy to google "FFXIV Black Mage rotation Heavensward" then clearly they don't really want to learn and are ok with how they are playing that they most likely don't want advice.

It literally takes 10 seconds to google that.

This is a problem with lots of NA players, they go into party content without putting much effort into knowing how to play their class, have a mentality of doing as little as possible in clearing the duty and then throw a fit when they get called out on it. Is it too much to put in some time to improve yourself and research your class and the content you wanna queue for before going into it?

[Whiteroom]

The amount of baddie apologist in these threads amazes me. I told myself that it was pointless to keep posting on these forums but this thread did it! These apologist dragged me back in. Can the SJW oriented players around here please understand that no one has a god given right not to be offended?

The offending BLM sucked.

The OP wanted to offer up constructive help.

The OP was misconstrued since tone is often lost in translation of brief communication.

The bad BLM gets butt hurt and abuses the vote kick system because their ego is so fragile that any criticism offered instantly has to turn into a cat fight.

The OP posts his experiences and shows us why the collective skill of the FFXIV player base is a joke in contrast to any other MMO.

Then, People attack the OP for being rude?

This game....
L
o
L

I can't even XD you guys are just too much!

Can you baddie apologist please stop supporting sub par gameplay for the sake of an argument that there may be some far removed scenario where an MMO player is unable to learn their class because of naivety? JFC is it so much to ask that people google "ffxiv blm rotation"? I guess so!

Hey hey now! look on the bright side.

Although we have seen the "People may not know information can be found on the internet!" argument (lol, ikr, who would have thought information was on the internet), we have yet to see the "Think of the disabled!" argument... It's the small things you should take joy in.

[zosia]

Hey hey now! look on the bright side.

Although we have seen the "People may not know information can be found on the internet!" argument (lol, ikr, who would have thought information was on the internet), we have yet to see the "Think of the disabled!" argument... It's the small things you should take joy in.

True, and I agree. Nothing really to do at this point but to /popcorn and go back to lurking!

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[vp_cmc]

"hit no if you aren't a bot" ready checks.

I think I'd hit "Yes" just before I notice something in party chat

[Ashkendor]

Hey hey now! look on the bright side.

Although we have seen the "People may not know information can be found on the internet!" argument (lol, ikr, who would have thought information was on the internet), we have yet to see the "Think of the disabled!" argument... It's the small things you should take joy in.

There's an enormous difference between someone that's disabled but doing their best and someone that's just being lazy or ignorant though. In the 20+ years that I've been gaming online, I've played with plenty of people with one disability or another, ranging from color-blindness (my static's last BLM) to deafness, nerve disorders, missing limbs, etc. I even played a MUD (the text-based forerunner to the modern MMO for you youngins in the crowd that may be unfamiliar with the term) with a blind guy. Seriously, think about that for a second. A blind dude playing a text-based game. Technology is friggin awesome. :3

[Asmodai]

Mentality from WoW. People still think DPS don't matter, that's why DPS have the lowest chances of getting comms compared to sub-par healers and tanks... ><
I don't think this WoW mentality will ever leave MMOs.

No, in wow everyone tried if they didnt everyone would know because of parsers. This really only seems to be rampant in ffxiv.