Lets nerf WAR :D

[Syzygian]

This thread made me laugh. That's all I'm gonna say.

I give it a 4/10. A couple of extra points since it isn't an obvious troll thread until you get to self heals being removed. If not a troll thread, such a huge lack of understanding of the job and thought put into these "suggestions" that it's hilarious. Almost all the suggestions are awful.

Nah. Almost none of these were serious nerfs, but food for thought. Its gotten people talking for 22 pages and isn't another "buff PLD" thread, so I consider it a job well done. I also totally never said they should lose any of their self heals (never once mentioned a removal of ToB, 30sec Bloodbath, Defiance Equilibrium, or the healing effect of IB; I only suggested the latter get a nerf of some kind because its big damage, a defensive CD, and a self heal all in one GCD. *shrug* to me that seems a bit much), and never tried to remove or undo any fundamental mechanics of the job completely (I left the ease of stance dancing, stack management, potent self heals, high OT dps, etc. almost completely alone), and mostly only suggested recast time/duration/percentage adjustments, nothing more. I never said any of these were perfectly thought out or even strategically/mechanically sound, and definitely haven't gotten personal with anybody over their opinions. So as I said in the OP, sorry if you were offended. =]

I dunno. I thought I made it pretty blatantly obvious that I was playing devil's advocate from the start, and no one had the stones to start a thread suggesting nerfs of any kind, just buffs, and most of those buffs even more ill advised than these nerfs, many of them completely unraveling the core mechanics of the jobs in question and turning them into something else entirely.

[Adire]

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4. Increase Defiance/Deliverance recast to 20-30s. The ease of stance dancing and being off-GCD is an integral part of the job, but make WARs think about it a bit more before they make the switch.

WAR is designed to do the large chunk of its damage while in Deliverance. The current shortish CD on stance dancing is to let WAR do this quickly without remaining in Deliverance too long, because while in Deliverance, minus defensive CDs, WAR is extremely squishy. Changing this to a long cooldown would greatly impact the playstyle and damage style WAR has. This would not "maintain the ease of stance dancing" by any means. It would make it far less viable in fact.

1. Increase Vengeance and/or Thrill of Battle recast to 150s. Still less than Sentinel and Bulwark and Shadow Wall but not so short that its ridiculous (120s for what these abilities do is a little much).

Add this on to what I said above, and bam, you've got a clunky WAR with clunky stance dancing and a clunky cooldown kit that can't do much damage without giving healers a headache and forcing them to sacrifice their own damage.

2. Nerf Inner Beast damage reduction to 15% or something, or remove the self-heal.

This looks a lot like you advocating removal of the biggest single self heal Warrior has to me. And considering a considerable part of Warrior's mitigation comes from self heals, and self heals rely on good damage, yeah....

Serious or not, it's best you don't encourage a good tank to be made as clunky as a "bad" tank. It's better to let everyone be good. I.E buff paladin.