Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Dervy]

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Yes, stop posting on this thread, because nothing you've said in the last 15 pages has been constructive or of any value. You're just typing for the sake of typing because I said something that you don't like, which was, there's a possibility that SS could be very good with the limited work I've done thus far. I never once stated "stack SS it's better". Go back to my earlier posts and re-read it. I said said there's a chance it could be SS > CRT > DET because of how well it was scaling.

Notice I've not posted anything about SS in the past few days? Why? Because my work is still incomplete.

Next, other people have been trying to tell you how SS affects your DPS, but obviously, the king of summoners who believes theorycrafting isn't always practical when he's on a training dummy every day and never once posts his "normalised parsed data to prove me wrong", can't comprehend other people have their opinions.

If you know everything, then please, educate me and start spitting out numbers to show the community how my efforts are futile.

But here's the thing. You still can't even acknowledge what I'm trying to accomplish here. My goal isn't to prove SS being better than Crit. My goal is to create a fully functioning Summoner Model so I can accurately calculate stat-weights, gauge estimated DPS values with different sets of gear and help optimise, with the help of the Summoner Community. To see how much, exactly, 1 point of X stat increases your theoretical DPS, which also includes MD, INT, DET and CRT. But yet, you're so hell bent about SS, that I don't even think you've realised this and instead of helping, you've decided to be a pest and just argue.

For reference, here's the summoner model at the moment. It still doesn't have Pet data.

I don't get our pets, haha. T0rin will need to clarify. I won't be able to hit 700 Spell Speed without radically changing my baseline stats.

EDIT: Actually Dervy, I'm not seeing where T0rin said Spell Speed affected Pet Damage in any of his testing unless it wasn't last night or I'm blind. Based off our exchange this morning, it totally could be the latter.

We were talking in private

[Charybdis]

We were talking in private

Derp. That would explain it!

[T0rin]

Derp. That would explain it!

He sent me a message on reddit with a number of questions, and I felt it would be easier just to start up a twitch stream and answer his questions through the game in real time. After we were done, I think we were more confused than ever.

What I gathered is that SS does not affect pet attack speed or damage, but it does seem to affect Ifrit AA intervals, which explains the desync we started to see the longer the Ifrit parse went on.

lmao, honestly, not following the pack of sheep isn't something good I assume. All of this is literally not rocket science, but if it'll make you feel better then sure. And yes I can see that there is nothing to prove. Finish it and let's see how your model will reflect on smns.

Dervy I don't believe is not trying to be as harsh as he may be coming off, but I will mirror something he's said: You've been spending a lot of time trying to counteract the notion that SS _might_ be better than Crit, with no proof at all other than anecdotal explanations. In the mean time, people like Dervy and Chary have been doing a lot of work to gather data and turn that into a working model that will prove how much stats are worth, so we can _all_ benefit from that knowledge and factor that into how we gear. But even after they are done, we'll still need to put together some simulations with real rotations before we know for sure, given how SS has a non-weight value in the game.

In the mean time, it seems all you have done is talk about how this isn't worth the time spent to figure it out and how we should just all go with your gut feeling that crit is better, because you did some parses. If you do continue posting in the discussion, try not to derail the efforts people are making. It's fine to spend your time on dummies doing parses and trying to come up with your own conclusions, but please don't let it detract from the overall effort to figure this out analytically.

[Charybdis]

He sent me a message on reddit with a number of questions, and I felt it would be easier just to start up a twitch stream and answer his questions through the game in real time. After we were done, I think we were more confused than ever.

What I gathered is that SS does not affect pet attack speed or damage, but it does seem to affect Ifrit AA intervals, which explains the desync we started to see the longer the Ifrit parse went on.

Well I'm about done (two or three more tests when I'm on later) with the Spell Speed/Pet test and we'll just have to take the data as is from there!

[Minorinz]

Yes, stop posting on this thread, because nothing..

lmao, honestly, not following the pack of sheep isn't something good I assume. All of this is literally not rocket science, but if it'll make you feel better then sure. And yes I can see that there is nothing to prove. Finish it and let's see how your model will reflect on smns.