Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Charybdis]

As long as it has been verified that Spellspeed is not a factor in Ifrit/Garuda Damage Calculation, then just go and collect WD/INT/DET/CRT data whilst eliminating those pesky enhanced procs.

Gonna give my Spell Speed one more solid boost to verify no damage changes then move on to ACTUAL stat collection with Ifrit and Garuda. I will eliminate pesky procs (ie they won't attack during them).

[ShinryuReishiki]

The impact of SS on the recast of Burning Strike seems to be very close, if not the same, as on the player. At 737 SS, I was getting 2.83s recast on Burning Strike; at the same SS, Shadow Flare is a 2.82s cast. That said, it seems like most of the impact is lost in practice.

There's an arbitrary delay between each Burning Strike, and it was consistently shorter with 354 SS than it was with 737 SS. When the it was on the shorter side, it nearly evened them out; the 737 SS set only pulled ahead when the 354 SS set had a relatively long delay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj0mcBs97eY

If both sets had an equal delay between Burning Strikes, the higher SS set would win, but as it is, it seems like it only pulls ahead occasionally. It's as if the pet's AI doesn't know that it can attack more frequently than 3s. As such, the only consistent benefit from SS seems to be the impact on the longer recast attacks.

[Sidra]

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Can you do the same thing with Garuda? I just repeated my 10 min test, except at base 354 Spell Speed, and again got 200 attacks. So on Obey, using only Wind Blade, she gets off 200 attacks at both 354 and 564 spell speed per 10 minutes. This is baffling me.

[Judge_Xero]

The impact of SS on the recast of Burning Strike seems to be very close, if not the same, as on the player. At 737 SS, I was getting 2.83s recast on Burning Strike; at the same SS, Shadow Flare is a 2.82s cast. That said, it seems like most of the impact is lost in practice.

There's an arbitrary delay between each Burning Strike, and it was consistently shorter with 354 SS than it was with 737 SS. When the it was on the shorter side, it nearly evened them out; the 737 SS set only pulled ahead when the 354 SS set had a relatively long delay.

Hmmm. That makes sense, since the pet AA should be @ 3s and through testing you do a lot less Burning Strikes than AA, when they should start out equal at base SPD.

That could explain strange results I was seeing when testing @ 354 SPD and 354 CRT (since there was less artificial delay), and the fairly consistent results I had with a higher SPD (started to smooth out that delay somewhat)

So really, we should be seeing for Ifrit that his AA should be going off at the same rate as Burning Strike at base SPD, and have greater gains than it currently does, instead of SPD alleviating that delay somewhat for BS to only catch up to AA frequency.

Definitely sounds like Bug Report time.

[Dervy]

In other words, Ifrit-Egi is dumb as hell and can't tell the difference between an AA and Burning Strike. Got it. Could it be a weird interaction between Ifrits AAs and its Skills? Like how your AA's are delayed until the end of your cast, maybe when Ifrit is in an AA animation, he's unable to cast Burning Strike until afterwards?

At 354 SS, does Ifrits AAs and Burning Strike happen at the exact same time?

If so, that's definitely a slight bug that needs to fix. It essentially makes SS a worthless skill in the long run for Ifrit.

Seeing as Garuda has no AA, you could re-run the test with Wind Blade and another long Cooldown ability and see if you notice the same inconsistency. If you do, then Pet AI is dumb. If not, then it's definitely related Ifrits AI, or his AAs.

So if SS affects pet recast (and isn't visible on their tooltip which is absolutely dumb and needs to be fixed) and not damage, then that makes life a hell of a lot easier.

Praise Yoshida.

[ShinryuReishiki]

Seeing as Garuda has no AA, you could re-run the test with Wind Blade and another long Cooldown ability and see if you notice the same inconsistency. If you do, then Pet AI is dumb. If not, then it's definitely related Ifrits AI, or his AAs.

Similar outcome with Garuda.

@354
Wind Blade recast: 180 frames (3.0s)
Delay: 6-7 frames (0.10-0.11s)

@737
Wind Blade recast: 170 frames (2.83s)
Delay: 19-20 frames (0.31-0.33s)

Also checked with Spell Speed buff up (737 to 884), doesn't appear to impact pet at all. It really seems like the only benefit from Spell Speed is being able to squeeze in more Aerial Slashes, Flaming Crushes, etc... Well, I imagine the DoT portions of Inferno and Earthen Fury would benefit.

[Dervy]

This makes absolutely no sense...

Yeah, someone really needs to compile all this and submit a bug report, unless someone can think of a logical explanation for this.

[Sidra]

So...just to be sure I am understanding this correctly, while the increased Spell Speed technically decreases the recast time of the pets GCD skills, as the time goes down some arbitary delay increases, in essence nullifying the bump. It's why the parse data is showing no difference while the frame analysis does show a reduction in the recast?

[Judge_Xero]

Submitted a Bug Report

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...28#post3284128

Seems broken enough to me. Hope you don't mind Shinryu that I used a couple of your references since your testing method is mostly likely as accurate as possible.

[Kona_Nightwind]

What's the base potency of a book smack?