Bard - they broke my job

[Gaignen]

We are still more mobile than casters and we bring utility most jobs don't have in their toolkit.

BLM and SMN have on-demand options to move and cast at the drop of a hat. BRD have 2 options for on-demand reactive movement: pray for straighter shot, or -30% DPS.

Ravana's Seeing~ mechanics may timeable, but the location is reaction, so no, it's not a nonissue.

Utility most jobs don't bring?
NIN 10% PARTY damage up 1/min (a bigger party DPS increase over time than Requiem), TP regen, no cost to self.
DRG piercing resistance debuff, crit rate enhance to party, no cost to self, king of oGCD stuns
BLM Can crossclass Eye for an Eye at no cost to self, Apocatastasis, no cost etc...
SMN E4E, supervirus, also combat raise
MNK Int and bashing debuff, party wide healing increase

NO job in FFXIV doesn't have utility. BRD and MCH are the only ones who pay for it just because it exists.

[Greywolfamakir]

BLM and SMN have on-demand options to move and cast at the drop of a hat. BRD have 2 options for on-demand reactive movement: pray for straighter shot, or -30% DPS.

-30% DPS? WM off bring You auto attacks, and if You dont refresh DoT out of WM they are gonna keep damage.
You need a bit more maths here.

Utility most jobs don't bring?
NIN 20% PARTY damage up 1/min (a bigger party DPS increase over time than Requiem), TP regen, no cost to self.

20%? Trick attack bring +10% vulnerability...
Foe Requiem bring +10% magic damage and +20% with Battle Voice up.

NO job in FFXIV doesn't have utility. BRD and MCH are the only ones who pay for it just because it exists.

BRD and MCH are the only ones who can refresh TP or MP. DRG/MNK/NIN out of TP do 0 DPS. Healers out of MP can't heal...It's a bit better support than "Trick Attack" or "Battle Litany"...

However, if BRD/MCH has less damage by default, Why is TP/MP regen punish with damage reduction for BRD/MCH? It's redundant and I don't agree with this.

[Gaignen]

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I simplified it a little, but either way, our options are RNG or a slight decrease in DPS. The point stands, casters get Swiftcast, they can save it for needed timings. Can't save a Straighter Shot. EDIT: If they maybe changed Warden's Paean (useless) into a BRD-Swiftcast? That might help.

The 20% was a typo, edited. Still, 10% vuln 1/6th of the time > slightly more than 10% to less than half the pDPS 1/3rd of the time (only slightly more than 10%, because BV can't always be on, around 12.5%).

And as you say we already pay for our other support with DPS decrease built into the abilities. Since 3.0 hit there is no reason for us to have less DPS than a BLM against a striking dummy. Making us hit as hard when we don't have to support isn't going to make us any more necessary than we already are, just make it easier if DF throws us into a 4 BRD A1.

[Aiselia]

BRD and MCH are the only ones who can refresh TP or MP.

Nope. AST can do both.

NIN can also refresh TP, if only to one person. And all healers have some sort of MP regeneration skill.

Also:

DRG/MNK/NIN out of TP do 0 DPS.

WM off bring You auto attacks

They can still auto attack without TP, so it's not 0. :P

[Greywolfamakir]

Nope. AST can do both.

NIN can also refresh TP, if only to one person. And all healers have some sort of MP regeneration skill.

Also:



They can still auto attack without TP, so it's not 0. :P

AST MP/TP regen is random...it's not reliable.

NIN TP regen is pretty low and 3 min CD.

The only one TP/MP regen solid and reliable is from MCH/BRD.

[Aiselia]

AST MP/TP regen is random...it's not reliable.

BRD MP/TP regen hinges upon not using Foe's, though. It's also not reliable if you plan on using Foe's to buff damage. If you use BV on Foe's, that's even less reliable as you'd be generating less TP/MP.

If a melee DPS dies just after you've finished draining all your MP with Foe's, guess who's not getting TP from the Bard after a revive?

Or what if healers need MP and melee need TP at the same time? What then? And what if they need both but you already burnt all your MP on Foe's?!?!?!?!?!?!

Doesn't seem that reliable to me at all.

A healer's own MP regen on the other hand, especially Scholar, seems far more reliable to me than Bard singing.

And a Monk can generate 700 TP for themselves every 2 minutes. That seems pretty reliable to me.

[Greywolfamakir]

BRD MP/TP regen hinges upon not using Foe's, though. It's also not reliable if you plan on using Foe's to buff damage. If you use BV on Foe's, that's even less reliable as you'd be generating less TP/MP.

If a melee DPS dies just after you've finished draining all your MP with Foe's, guess who's not getting TP from the Bard after a revive?

Or what if healers need MP and melee need TP at the same time? What then? And what if they need both but you already burnt all your MP on Foe's?!?!?!?!?!?!

Doesn't seem that reliable to me at all.

A healer's own MP regen on the other hand, especially Scholar, seems far more reliable to me than Bard singing.

And a Monk can generate 700 TP for themselves every 2 minutes. That seems pretty reliable to me.

OMG...I have to read this...for real?...

You know how combat works, when healers are gonna spend a lot of MP, or when melee are gonna need TP...
TP/MP regen from BRD is totally reliable if you know what are you playing...if you think that MP/TP regen from BRD/MCH is no reliable becouse Foe drains mana, you need a bit more practice like player. Just two tips.
1--> You can cancel Foe Requiem song if you push the same key.
2-->

[Aiselia]

You know how combat works, when healers are gonna spend a lot of MP, or when melee are gonna need TP...

I know when people are going to accidentally step into the AOE and get killed so they'll need TP/MP when they get revived?

I must be psychic. BRB, going to buy my cactpot ticket.

You can cancel Foe Requiem song if you push the same key.

Which does nothing if all of your MP is already gone because they need TP/MP after you've been playing Foe's for a minute, so I'm not sure why you think this is relevant in any way at all, since my entire post wasn't "What if you're already playing Foe's," but "What if you don't have any MP left because of Foe's."

Tip: Goad is more useful than Paeon if one TP user (except the ninja obviously) dies and needs TP, because it won't cost anyone any extra DPS.

You can't 100% rely on a Bard to play TP/MP songs in a pinch if they're also playing Foe's as much as possible for the extra damage.

[RiceisNice]

BRD MP/TP regen hinges upon not using Foe's, though. It's also not reliable if you plan on using Foe's to buff damage. If you use BV on Foe's, that's even less reliable as you'd be generating less TP/MP.

If a melee DPS dies just after you've finished draining all your MP with Foe's, guess who's not getting TP from the Bard after a revive?

Or what if healers need MP and melee need TP at the same time? What then? And what if they need both but you already burnt all your MP on Foe's?!?!?!?!?!?!

Doesn't seem that reliable to me at all.

A healer's own MP regen on the other hand, especially Scholar, seems far more reliable to me than Bard singing.

And a Monk can generate 700 TP for themselves every 2 minutes. That seems pretty reliable to me.

It's an auxiliary source, a clutch if you will. So far I've never acutally used TP turret/song in any of the savage floors, only using mp during true downtimes or crunch time when it came to healer output.

OMG...I have to read this...for real?...

You know how combat works, when healers are gonna spend a lot of MP, or when melee are gonna need TP...
TP/MP regen from BRD is totally reliable if you know what are you playing...if you think that MP/TP regen from BRD/MCH is no reliable becouse Foe drains mana, you need a bit more practice like player. Just two tips.
1--> You can cancel Foe Requiem song if you push the same key.
2-->

The fact remains that it draws from the same source; the bard's mana. It's not 100% uptime of either one and it's mana management on the bard's end. That's their trade off compared to machinist's regen:damage boost, where the latter is hinged on a 2 minute cooldown. Esp when you add on the effects of battle voice as well; Bard can eitehr get a more potent damage boost or a boosted regen, the former being at a much higher degree (20%), while MCH can only squeeze a little of the boosted regen and a 5% magic boost.

It allows me to give my raid the illusion of choice of what they want in regards to the regen:damage boost ratio in A2s, because they can't make me play BRD even if they paid me.

[yamochan]

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dont forget astrologican mana/tp reg card with the buff we will see way more astros in raids then before...
and yes maybe NIN tp reg isnt as great but it come at no costs

also yeah you can time you foe and even just for some seconds if a heal crys for mana you will fcking play manasong no matter how much u have but why ...... hmmm cause oh yeah heal got no mana you die!