Bard - they broke my job

[Aiselia]

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What does any of that have to do with "You can't predict when someone will die and need TP/MP but you're out of MP because of Foe's"?

If you really think Goad is more reliable than TP song

Tip: Goad is more useful than Paeon if one TP user (except the ninja obviously) dies and needs TP

Reading the full sentence and not stopping after the first 6 words is often integral to understanding the sentence.

[yamochan]

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np in getting back to an old one when it speaks the absolut truth ^^
but it seems to me like SE wont change a thing for they say BRD works as intendet... dont ask me who put that in their heads but yeah but the situation
and thats also the reason why i still post in here so that maybe if we are extremly lucky someone with he right mindset from the devs will read this and get what kind of bs they put us through.

[PopeHat]

I've noticed more PF's looking for bards than ever before, at least Monk got some buffs though.

[Gaignen]

surprised how often i see this. has less movement time in their normal rotation than us, but the "on demand" move option is scathe, 100 potency. our on demand move option is feint, 120 potency. if we count thundercloud or fire starter procs we'd have to count our straighter shot procs

Swiftcast Fire IV (for example).
Firestarter (far more frequently than Straighter shot).
Thundercloud (just to add another option.
And only when these are not an option do BLM have to resort to Scathing to keep casting.

Bard has no swiftcast and a weak RNG that only got weaker with 3.x because we hit Heavy Shot less often than before.

[Inferiae]

I've noticed more PF's looking for bards than ever before, at least Monk got some buffs though.

Because a lot of people just stopped playing BRD after the changes :c

[Clarkamite]

Swiftcast Fire IV (for example).
Firestarter (far more frequently than Straighter shot).
Thundercloud (just to add another option.
And only when these are not an option do BLM have to resort to Scathing to keep casting.

Bard has no swiftcast and a weak RNG that only got weaker with 3.x because we hit Heavy Shot less often than before.

I typed out this whole thing to respond to what you put in here but I decided you would probably argue it tooth and nail so I deleted it. Let me just simply say that the Bard toolkit and the BLM toolkit are not similar. They don't even play similarly enough to give merit to all the comparisons. A lot of Bards are unhappy with the new play style. Understandable. Please stop saying you guys are BLM's. You're not.

[SlyRoyale]

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Sorry for the late reply, Flo. Got caught up with playing the game and real life stuff. Anyway...

I still have yet to seriously level MCH or watch any videos of MCH play, so I cannot make any accurate comparisons between the two jobs. I can say that despite BRD being a bit clunky, it is still functional enough to be viable in any group. Ever since the Minuet change, including the recent patch that fixed still getting a cast bar after turning it off (which I doubt worked since I still experienced that situation in a Fractal run earlier today), the job is functional enough to be brought in for progression raids. The ability to play resource songs during downtime or during a dire emergency, being able to buff all caster damage, and still being able to put out a steady stream of damage is nothing to scoff at.

Even if the job feels clunky compared to pre-HW and the supported claims of WM being tacked on as a clone of MCH's GB, it can still function effectively in any encounter and I doubt SE will make any significant changes unless they notice some statistics that make them consider creating further adjustments. There is also the matter that the ability is called Minuet, so if SE had to change it they would either have to keep within the theme of a "slow dance" or completely overhaul the ability. I like the mention of "Sniper Training" another poster made in this thread. Without the cast bars, we can easily weave in double oGCDs again while still promoting the play style of staying stationary for a damage boost. Still, I'll just wait and see what SE does. Whatever changes happen to the job, it will still be my main. No doubt about it.

[DragonHunterG]

never played bard too much, didn't like the class. picked up machinist class finally a few days ago to give a try and loved it. it must have been what bards were used to. fast, mobile, lots of fun. then i get gauss barrel at 52 and it literally changes the entire way you play. the cast times are b.s. and really detract from the spirit of the job. i can see now why bard players are up in arms over this. it's just not fun to sit there and wait for an extra 2 seconds for every weapon skill, when they build up the job to play in certain way up to the point, then pull the rug out from under you. sucks because the machinist job is damn cool concept too. not to mention the cast time animation is just plain weird.

[Linadae]

never played bard too much, didn't like the class. picked up machinist class finally a few days ago to give a try and loved it. it must have been what bards were used to. fast, mobile, lots of fun. then i get gauss barrel at 52 and it literally changes the entire way you play. the cast times are b.s. and really detract from the spirit of the job. i can see now why bard players are up in arms over this. it's just not fun to sit there and wait for an extra 2 seconds for every weapon skill, when they build up the job to play in certain way up to the point, then pull the rug out from under you. sucks because the machinist job is damn cool concept too. not to mention the cast time animation is just plain weird.

Yes but at least by 60 MCHs have their full toolkit that revolves around speeding up or even removing the cast timers that GB forces on them. Bards don't get this luxury...EVER. Hence why Bard is clunky and unfun. The class was not build with WM in mind. It was tacked on so it would be just the same as mch so that people wouldn't have to choose between playing a ranged dps with casttimers or playing one without. In truth, they clearly didn't trust that people would play mch unless they tacked cast timers on to bard as well.

[Alkel]

In truth, they clearly didn't trust that people would play mch unless they tacked cast timers on to bard as well.

And by doing so, they just got the opposite effect: people who dont want cast time are not playing BRD anymore.
Some switched to MCH because its working well with GB.

Considering all the PF looking for a BRD/MCH atm, i bet the BRD/MCH population today is lesser than the BRD population pre 3.0