Bard - they broke my job

[twoheadedenby]

How would people feel if Bard got Sniper Training from Marksman Hunters in WoW?

All your casts would be instant, but you only get WM's damage buff if you stand still for 3s and it falls off after 6s if you move and don't refresh it by standing still for 3s again.

This is a MUCH better solution to exactly the same gameplay mechanic, and the only difficulty is that it would likely have to be implemented as a Trait rather than an Ability like others have said. If SE implemented something like this I'd be jumping for joy to play Bard again.

[Gaignen]

We are still more mobile than casters and we bring utility most jobs don't have in their toolkit.

BLM and SMN have on-demand options to move and cast at the drop of a hat. BRD have 2 options for on-demand reactive movement: pray for straighter shot, or -30% DPS.

Ravana's Seeing~ mechanics may timeable, but the location is reaction, so no, it's not a nonissue.

Utility most jobs don't bring?
NIN 10% PARTY damage up 1/min (a bigger party DPS increase over time than Requiem), TP regen, no cost to self.
DRG piercing resistance debuff, crit rate enhance to party, no cost to self, king of oGCD stuns
BLM Can crossclass Eye for an Eye at no cost to self, Apocatastasis, no cost etc...
SMN E4E, supervirus, also combat raise
MNK Int and bashing debuff, party wide healing increase

NO job in FFXIV doesn't have utility. BRD and MCH are the only ones who pay for it just because it exists.

[Greywolfamakir]

BLM and SMN have on-demand options to move and cast at the drop of a hat. BRD have 2 options for on-demand reactive movement: pray for straighter shot, or -30% DPS.

-30% DPS? WM off bring You auto attacks, and if You dont refresh DoT out of WM they are gonna keep damage.
You need a bit more maths here.

Utility most jobs don't bring?
NIN 20% PARTY damage up 1/min (a bigger party DPS increase over time than Requiem), TP regen, no cost to self.

20%? Trick attack bring +10% vulnerability...
Foe Requiem bring +10% magic damage and +20% with Battle Voice up.

NO job in FFXIV doesn't have utility. BRD and MCH are the only ones who pay for it just because it exists.

BRD and MCH are the only ones who can refresh TP or MP. DRG/MNK/NIN out of TP do 0 DPS. Healers out of MP can't heal...It's a bit better support than "Trick Attack" or "Battle Litany"...

However, if BRD/MCH has less damage by default, Why is TP/MP regen punish with damage reduction for BRD/MCH? It's redundant and I don't agree with this.

[RiceisNice]

I could go for this, though this would involve the acquisition of a trait that does this at lv52 instead of an ability button. I'm fine with it but I don't know if the devs would go for it.

The other end is having WM give different boosts compared to GB (or vice versa). Having it do something like lowering GCD and TP costs along with the cast times (without the damage boost) would go a long way t differentiate the pacing and groundwork of BRD compared to MCH. Like I've mentioned previously, I feel like it's a hack-job and wasted potential for both jobs.

[Gaignen]

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I simplified it a little, but either way, our options are RNG or a slight decrease in DPS. The point stands, casters get Swiftcast, they can save it for needed timings. Can't save a Straighter Shot. EDIT: If they maybe changed Warden's Paean (useless) into a BRD-Swiftcast? That might help.

The 20% was a typo, edited. Still, 10% vuln 1/6th of the time > slightly more than 10% to less than half the pDPS 1/3rd of the time (only slightly more than 10%, because BV can't always be on, around 12.5%).

And as you say we already pay for our other support with DPS decrease built into the abilities. Since 3.0 hit there is no reason for us to have less DPS than a BLM against a striking dummy. Making us hit as hard when we don't have to support isn't going to make us any more necessary than we already are, just make it easier if DF throws us into a 4 BRD A1.

[Aiselia]

BRD and MCH are the only ones who can refresh TP or MP.

Nope. AST can do both.

NIN can also refresh TP, if only to one person. And all healers have some sort of MP regeneration skill.

Also:

DRG/MNK/NIN out of TP do 0 DPS.

WM off bring You auto attacks

They can still auto attack without TP, so it's not 0. :P

[Greywolfamakir]

Nope. AST can do both.

NIN can also refresh TP, if only to one person. And all healers have some sort of MP regeneration skill.

Also:



They can still auto attack without TP, so it's not 0. :P

AST MP/TP regen is random...it's not reliable.

NIN TP regen is pretty low and 3 min CD.

The only one TP/MP regen solid and reliable is from MCH/BRD.

[yamochan]

How would people feel if Bard got Sniper Training from Marksman Hunters in WoW?

All your casts would be instant, but you only get WM's damage buff if you stand still for 3s and it falls off after 6s if you move and don't refresh it by standing still for 3s again.

that solution was already posted quite often once by myself actually but it get ignored simply for the reason that it got WoW in it wich is a damn shame because this method would be the best thing they could to make the bard fun again because dont get me wrong its dmg is ok (it could be a bit more but hey dont reach for stars right) but the playstyle is so damn bad especially on the europe servers

[xyaie]

BLM and SMN have on-demand options to move and cast at the drop of a hat. BRD have 2 options for on-demand reactive movement: pray for straighter shot, or -30% DPS.
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surprised how often i see this. has less movement time in their normal rotation than us, but the "on demand" move option is scathe, 100 potency. our on demand move option is feint, 120 potency. if we count thundercloud or fire starter procs we'd have to count our straighter shot procs

[Maero]

Obviously some of you have never actually played blm....