Quote Originally Posted by Syrehn View Post
They stand around AFK waiting for a vote kick because then they circumvent the penalty timer and are able to cherry pick a different group. The best way to prevent this type of behaviour, imo, is to implement a penalty timer on the players who get vote kicked.

Asking/expecting the rest of the party to use their limited vote kick option is selfish.
asking it is not selfish. expecting/demanding it would be.

Asking is just that - a request. Why is it so hard to say "Sorry, I don't want to use my votekick up."? No, instead, 9/10 times when I see someone in my party request a votekick, the responses I see people get:

"sorry, you're going to have to stay the entire time" <- basically implying you're holding someone hostage.
"Go eat a penalty" <- usually complete with some kind of insult.
"I don't want to risk another DPS joining who would be able to lot on my item" <- just as greedy as anyone else.

These two responses are far ruder. However, they're not always unprovoked. They're often responses to the way people ask - if you say "ugh just kick me", "God you guys suck - kick me or I afk" then I don't blame people for refusing to kick you. You're just being a piece of **** at that point.


Ultimately, however, I disagree with the OP. Someone asking to be booted is better than someone voting to dismiss when there are people still in the party who want to keep going at it. Asking to be booted instead of bringing down the party when done correctly is ideal.


And yea, there's more reasons that someone might need a kick. One of their friends might be asking for help (Thus the 30 minute que is counter to that); they might need to go afk for 5-10 minutes and don't want to hold the party back, but will want to que when they get back; they might just not feel up to running whatever it is they got any further (Wiping 3+ times on a single run.) As long as they put in the effort to give you a few tries, why do you care so much if they politely ask to be removed to move on to something else?

Being polite about it is 9/10ths of the fight - and I won't deny, I've requested a boot before. Particularly, on my DRG when I was running WoD after switching mains from WAR to DRG. I needed to get the gear, and the first boss ddrops the item I needed. Running on limited time before raid, so I typed polite requests and got kicked per the request.

Sometimes I think people would rather make themselves suffer.