"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

Some people actually think they are being held hostage when the door is right there, lol!

[Amiaze]

Hm, I honestly think it's just a sign that we, as a community, just need to grow and be more mature about the way we approach things. I said in another thread that I typically don't abandon a party unless they're rude; in the cases that I have, which are few and far between, I didn't ask to be kicked. I wished them a good day and just left, and took my penalty. Penalties aren't meant to be seen as just avoidable inconveniences. They're minor punishments for going against a code and being disruptive.

As others have reported, I've often seen players simply stand around and do nothing rather than leaving, keeping an entire party from progressing. This is a very bad mindset. You are allowed to do literally anything and everything else in the game except reenter an instance during your penalty time. But rather than accept a minor penalty, these players would just hold an entire party hostage, oftentimes for no other reason than "I don't want to run this dungeon". This is not behavior that we should entertain in a community.



EDIT: You know what else we shouldn't entertain? 1000 character limits. >_>

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I'll say it here and now; this is exact same thing people rallied against when queue withdraw penalties became a thing. I heard every excuse against it:

"I'll lose my materials from crafting!"
"I had to do an errand!"
"I needed to get food!"
"I had to go to the bathroom!"
"I was doing something else in game!"

Everyone comes up with some excuse to avoid taking responsibility and wasting everyone's time. If something else outside of the DF requires that much attention from you, then just go and deal with that and don't expect a free pass.

[Kaela]

I agree there is times where the system is abused to get booted to avoid timers. However, I do know of times where it is nessisary for a said player who is running to raid and the said group is having problems.

To elabirate, this happened just a week ago to a raid mate. He ran his expert and got 3 new people in the run. They were in there for over an hour wiping to the final boss. A run that should of taken him only 30 minutes took twice as long than it should of. He tried to vote abandon but they wouldn't say yes. He also tried to ask them boot him. Again no. He couldn't just leave or we wouldn't of been able to raid. We would of needed to get someone else.

What is one to do in one of those groups? You are stuck with them. Our raid mate stuck it out and we got an hour worth of raid in but it sucks if you need to leave, but can't because the other three are practically holding you hostage.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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So they physically restrained him from leaving? He couldn't leave on his own accord because he feared that dreaded 30 minute time out that much? He wanted an easy way out that badly, despite wasting over 30 minutes of his own time wiping to the last boss?

Here's another thing I want people to answer. What do you do when someone asks to be kicked, but everyone says "Sorry, we used our vote kicks on this other group in a previous run." Is that person still being "held hostage?"

[Magistrella]

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you totally missed the point there - he couldnt leave and take the 30 min because he was already late (due to a dungeon taking 60 min instead of 20-30) and did not want to make his team (7 other people he knows) wait another 30 minutes because 3 other people were too stupid to kill a easy boss after multiple tries.
I actually draw my hat before that person, because of the speed they most likely were going i'd probably been gone after the first 5 min and just ate the penalty.

and to your question - idk and idc, if someone asks he gets the boot - less drama comes from that then refusing

[Mykll]

you totally missed the point there - he couldnt leave and take the 30 min because he was already late (due to a dungeon taking 60 min instead of 20-30) and did not want to make his team (7 other people he knows) wait another 30 minutes because 3 other people were too stupid to kill a easy boss after multiple tries.

Maybe he learned his lesson to not queue up for something so close to another raid.

Would they lose their roulette for day if group runs out timer without winning?

In my suggestion, where you forever get the same dungeon for Roulette until you clear, you just try again the same day and probably get another group. Get your daily bonus done.

[Cakekizy]

you totally missed the point there - he couldnt leave and take the 30 min because he was already late (due to a dungeon taking 60 min instead of 20-30) and did not want to make his team (7 other people he knows) wait another 30 minutes because 3 other people were too stupid to kill a easy boss after multiple tries.
I actually draw my hat before that person, because of the speed they most likely were going i'd probably been gone after the first 5 min and just ate the penalty.

and to your question - idk and idc, if someone asks he gets the boot - less drama comes from that then refusing

That's his own fault, you shouldn't queue if you don't have time to take the full timer for the dungeon.

[Magistrella]

That's his own fault, you shouldn't queue if you don't have time to take the full timer for the dungeon.

Then im supposed to not play most of the time? Because i am NOT sitting 90 minutes straight in front of the game.

I don't know about you, but i have something called a life - when i plan a dungeon i plan 45 minutes. Because even with bad players that's how long it should take. And i will not be told by some self righteous <insertwordofchoicehere> that can sit in front of the game the whole day to "Make space 1 1/2 hours of my time" for something that can be done in 20-25 minutes

Sorry, just shows how much off a jerk attitude comes out no matter on what side of the table you stand

[Miste]

I agree there is times where the system is abused to get booted to avoid timers. However, I do know of times where it is nessisary for a said player who is running to raid and the said group is having problems.

To elabirate, this happened just a week ago to a raid mate. He ran his expert and got 3 new people in the run. They were in there for over an hour wiping to the final boss. A run that should of taken him only 30 minutes took twice as long than it should of. He tried to vote abandon but they wouldn't say yes. He also tried to ask them boot him. Again no. He couldn't just leave or we wouldn't of been able to raid. We would of needed to get someone else.

What is one to do in one of those groups? You are stuck with them. Our raid mate stuck it out and we got an hour worth of raid in but it sucks if you need to leave, but can't because the other three are practically holding you hostage.

See this situation is one of those ones that makes me think all this stuff about "Oh, just leave and eat the penalty cause its rude to ask for a kick" is kind of something that could be flipped to the other viewpoint...

This guy had a raid coming up. Expert usually takes 20-30 minutes instead it ended up taking over and hour? The run wasn't going well...they wiped to the final boss not once or twice but reported multiple times. Obviously this guy TRIED to make it work. In the end he just ran out of time and had people waiting for him. This kind of mistake can happen to anyone. He tries to vote abandon to see if the others agree. They don't, okay, that's fine. Then he asked, I am assuming politely, to be kicked from party due to his circumstances.

Yet no one was nice enough to just do it as a favor, a sign of compassion, goodwill, or just plain sympathy? That blows my mind.

It's like most people agree that it's rude to ask for a kick because you should just be accepting and open to help your fellow players. Yet reverse it and people are not willing to be accepting, open, sympathize with, and help a fellow player out by leaving them with no penalty.

I mean I guess I just don't understand. If the person is argumentative and a jerk okay, but if someone who was just a normal obviously kind player that wanted to leave with no penalty for a good reason like raid time or having to go help a friend on some duty...it's like, no one shows any compassion. But many people expect compassion when they are failing multiple times on a boss etc.

Not saying everyone should get vote kicks or whatever...just to me it seems some people are a bit too rigid about it.

As for the everyone has their vote kick on cool down thing....I think the % chance of that happening is very very very low. If it somehow does well then something else would have to be done. Like vote abandon or the person who wants to leave just leaves and eat penalty since it was their own mistake to begin with.