"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[Eidolon]

They stand around AFK waiting for a vote kick because then they circumvent the penalty timer and are able to cherry pick a different group. The best way to prevent this type of behaviour, imo, is to implement a penalty timer on the players who get vote kicked.

Asking/expecting the rest of the party to use their limited vote kick option is selfish.

asking it is not selfish. expecting/demanding it would be.

Asking is just that - a request. Why is it so hard to say "Sorry, I don't want to use my votekick up."? No, instead, 9/10 times when I see someone in my party request a votekick, the responses I see people get:

"sorry, you're going to have to stay the entire time" <- basically implying you're holding someone hostage.
"Go eat a penalty" <- usually complete with some kind of insult.
"I don't want to risk another DPS joining who would be able to lot on my item" <- just as greedy as anyone else.

These two responses are far ruder. However, they're not always unprovoked. They're often responses to the way people ask - if you say "ugh just kick me", "God you guys suck - kick me or I afk" then I don't blame people for refusing to kick you. You're just being a piece of **** at that point.


Ultimately, however, I disagree with the OP. Someone asking to be booted is better than someone voting to dismiss when there are people still in the party who want to keep going at it. Asking to be booted instead of bringing down the party when done correctly is ideal.


And yea, there's more reasons that someone might need a kick. One of their friends might be asking for help (Thus the 30 minute que is counter to that); they might need to go afk for 5-10 minutes and don't want to hold the party back, but will want to que when they get back; they might just not feel up to running whatever it is they got any further (Wiping 3+ times on a single run.) As long as they put in the effort to give you a few tries, why do you care so much if they politely ask to be removed to move on to something else?

Being polite about it is 9/10ths of the fight - and I won't deny, I've requested a boot before. Particularly, on my DRG when I was running WoD after switching mains from WAR to DRG. I needed to get the gear, and the first boss ddrops the item I needed. Running on limited time before raid, so I typed polite requests and got kicked per the request.

Sometimes I think people would rather make themselves suffer.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Not wasting my 4 hour CD votekick on someone who wants to leave without penalties.

[Caiera]

I wouldn't dream of requesting to be kicked if I had used roulette to get into a dungeon, if fact I can only name 1 time when I have left a dungeon and that was in the first week of 2.0.
If I enter a roulette, I always give it my all, after all, I chose a roulette knowing full well that I might get a dungeon that I may not enjoy as much as others.
IMO, if anyone enters a dungeon and then changes their mind, or they need to leave for other reasons, then just leave, take the penalty and go.

I do not agree however, that a vote kick should get a penalty, my reasoning is that since Heavensward started, my DC rate has increased ten fold, before HW I probably only DC'd once every 2-3 days, after HW I now get DC'd approx 3-4 times a day, so I would not appreciate it if during a DC, I get vote kicked and also receive a penalty for something that is beyond my control.

I think a more appropriate penalty would be that if a player is inactive while inside the dungeon for a certain amount of time, then they would receive a penalty, so anyone that doesn't want to leave because of a penalty would also be discouraged from just sitting around and not participating.

[Syrehn]

I do not agree however, that a vote kick should get a penalty, my reasoning is that since Heavensward started, my DC rate has increased ten fold, before HW I probably only DC'd once every 2-3 days, after HW I now get DC'd approx 3-4 times a day, so I would not appreciate it if during a DC, I get vote kicked and also receive a penalty for something that is beyond my control.

I think a more appropriate penalty would be that if a player is inactive while inside the dungeon for a certain amount of time, then they would receive a penalty, so anyone that doesn't want to leave because of a penalty would also be discouraged from just sitting around and not participating.

In all fairness, when someone DC's, the majority of groups that I've been in don't just auto vote kick. Most teams wait a fair amount of time 5+ mins to see if the player is coming back.

I don't really foresee that implementing a vote kick penalty timer on people who DC will have the huge impact that is being implied. Even if it does they can take that short amount of time and let their connection even out (craft/gather/etc.).

However, the idea of an inactive penalty timer (like the auto kick in PVP if you're inactive) is a good suggestion and could work. It would have to be something to the affect of attacking mobs and not just running around; don't want them running in circles waiting to be kicked while doing nothing.

[Makeda]

As a mostly tank and healer... I really don't care. If I kick you or you leave - your replacement is already in the queue anyway. So whether or not I kick you or make you suffer is just going to depend on how much I am failing myself that day. If I'm acting beneath my own dignity, I might be spiteful and make you eat the cooldown... Otherwise I'd just click to let you go - because why be a jerk to someone else?

I also DPS on a third character... (I know you can do every class on one character, but you can't do every race on one character, and I like clean divisions of things anyway... and it just so happens that I was able to get 3 characters onto my server before the freeze has kept me from getting any more...)

It WOULD hurt my DPS if I let you go if you were the tank or the healer... but then again, do I really want to deal with you being there when you don't want to be? My DPS is still leveling, so I've not yet faced any very long queues... I don't know how much of a jerk I will find myself feeling like becoming once I start facing hour long queues (how long are they for DPS anyway)... But I should hope I can still retain some decency and just let people who want to go, go easy...

[Malevicton]

It bothers me a little bit when people do that, but I won't withhold the kick if they want it. You're punishing the whole group by not kicking them; it's not like they ever go "oh okay, I guess I'll just do the dungeon then." Generally they'll troll/sabotage/afk. It's annoying, but trying to get back at them by not kicking is just shooting yourself in the foot over a petty internet squabble.

[Syrehn]

It bothers me a little bit when people do that, but I won't withhold the kick if they want it. You're punishing the whole group by not kicking them; it's not like they ever go "oh okay, I guess I'll just do the dungeon then." Generally they'll troll/sabotage/afk. It's annoying, but trying to get back at them by not kicking is just shooting yourself in the foot over a petty internet squabble.

The point is these players likely wouldn't even be behaving like this if there was an appropriate penalty applied to them when vote kick is used.

[Malevicton]

The point is these players likely wouldn't even be behaving like this if there was an appropriate penalty applied to them when vote kick is used.

Eventually that became the point, but wasn't originally. Doesn't really negate my point either. A penalty might help, but with the game how it is right now I don't think withholding kicks is gonna lead to anything good.

[Caiera]

It bothers me a little bit when people do that, but I won't withhold the kick if they want it. You're punishing the whole group by not kicking them; it's not like they ever go "oh okay, I guess I'll just do the dungeon then." Generally they'll troll/sabotage/afk. It's annoying, but trying to get back at them by not kicking is just shooting yourself in the foot over a petty internet squabble.

In a lot of cases it would punish the group anyway as it takes so long to get a group in DF as it is (except for reset days), so you vote kick the person that queued for this instance of their own volition, and then because of that one selfish person, the group has to wait around hoping for someone else to join.

[Kaedan]

The unfortunate thing is that it's usually just faster to kick them and look for replacement than to wait for them to leave. However, the only way to fix the problem would be to add the deserter penalty to being kicked. But, that comes with it's own issues because then people who are wrongly kicked are abused twice... once being wrongly kicked, and twice being having to wait the penalty.

On the other hand, it does punish people who were kicked for valid reasons, which is actually a good thing.