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  1. #901
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    Regarding PB openers, I keep seeing a back and forth between opening with Demo -> Snap -> Snap and Snap -> Snap -> Demo. In the first sequence, if B4B is used after the first Snap, you get a B4B + GL2 buffed Snap and 1 B4B + GL3 buffed Demo. With the latter sequence you get 2 B4B buffed Demos, the first with GL2 and the second with GL3. I assumed delaying the initial Demo 2 GCDs to apply it with B4B up outweighed applying it immediately, but I've seen a lot of openers that start with Demo regardless. Is there a specific reason for this? Is applying Demo first better over time?
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    All sane openers are so close to each other in potency that it really, truly doesn't matter. Get your GL3 up first, get your buffs up, use your ToD before Potion+BfB+IR wears off, pow pow pow.
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  3. #903
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    Alright, that's great to hear, thanks. I'd prefer not to mess with my current rotation anyway. :P
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    I've always gone with Demo - Snap - Snap. Sooner you use demo, sooner you reapply it. Don't know if that amounts to anything in the long run but I like that way of thinking :P
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    The opener I last listed is mathematicall the highest potency opener, so i've been using that recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    The opener I last listed is mathematicall the highest potency opener, so i've been using that recently.
    Thanks for the vid Odo! I love how you delayed the Dragon kick after PB fell off i usually always re-apply but your method definately looks like its squeezing out more potency! Now i know why you do Dragon Kick last! I have been experimenting with doing Twin Snakes as the 5th PB move but now watching your video my DragonKick would fall off too early. Your method has DragonKick re-applied less than 1 second after it falls off and allows you to do back2back Bootshines! Lovely!

    Any particular reason u havnt' just purchased the Poetics Neck? You seem to have a healthy amount of ACC is there no other way to shed some? Like those pants!
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    Last edited by PROBOUND; 03-03-2015 at 05:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROBOUND View Post
    Thanks for the vid Odo! I love how you delayed the Dragon kick after PB fell off i usually always re-apply but your method definately looks like its squeezing out more potency!

    Any particular reason u havnt' just purchased the Poetics Neck? You seem to have a healthy amount of ACC is there no other way to shed some? Like those pants!
    Well, I had a few questions on the BG forums about getting it with low skillspeed (its really tight) so I was showing how low you could get it at in terms of skillspeed.

    The poetics set I was wearing was less about accuracy and more about it being the BiS set I'll be going with when I get all the twines I need, since the crafted is very expensive.

    edit- i realise i never linked it here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SapovIG92E0 is the video in question shwoing the opener.
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    Last edited by Odowla; 03-03-2015 at 05:06 AM.

  8. #908
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    The opener I last listed is mathematicall the highest potency opener, so i've been using that recently.
    Demo-Snap-Snap is superior in an infinite-time scenario, but Snap-Snap-Demo pulls ahead a majority of the time

    Actually refreshing your stacks at 0:30 with Demo-Snap-Snap at such a low skill speed is pretty good, though. I can never quite get that to work when I want it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyHirose View Post
    Demo-Snap-Snap is superior in an infinite-time scenario, but Snap-Snap-Demo pulls ahead a majority of the time

    Actually refreshing your stacks at 0:30 with Demo-Snap-Snap at such a low skill speed is pretty good, though. I can never quite get that to work when I want it to.
    You have around a third of a second to refresh it at 400 sks.

    I didn't do teh math myself, I had a friend of mine put it through some calculations and this one came out ahead most of the time. ACT is not present in that video but it bursts around 750 dps everytime, exempting atrocious crit RNG of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    You have around a third of a second to refresh it at 400 sks.

    I didn't do teh math myself, I had a friend of mine put it through some calculations and this one came out ahead most of the time. ACT is not present in that video but it bursts around 750 dps everytime, exempting atrocious crit RNG of course
    I've never been able to keep up with the alternating positionals on BS > Twin and DK > True rotations. I eventually lose focus for a split second and it get thrown back to flank > flank / rear > rear. Guess I never do it enough to really commit it to muscle memory.

    I will say that I'm getting some pretty consistent results with it though when I keep it together and don't fumble during a parse.
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    Last edited by Ricdeau; 03-03-2015 at 09:03 AM.

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