The Monk Temple Reborn

[Butcherboy]

id vlike to see this. i lov my mnk and been one since the dawn of man kind, but until i see a video a mnk parsing for 660 in 3-4 min like alot of nin vids ive seen, i say that the crown have been move to nin tops dps fallowed by mnk.

[Odowla]

id vlike to see this. i lov my mnk and been one since the dawn of man kind, but until i see a video a mnk parsing for 660 in 3-4 min like alot of nin vids ive seen, i say that the crown have been move to nin tops dps fallowed by mnk.

I mean its still cherrypicked parses. I got a 640 on my ninja but it was the result of like, 400 attempts or something stupid like that, obviously I wasnt counting. But yeah, those are the end result of hundreds of attempts.

[Deithwen]

Hello fellow monks !
I recently parsed my self with the Zeta, and managed to pull 620 dps (party/food).
It's not really optimized and would have with a longer parse time since I use fracture.
I'll do more tries soon and try to make a video of it if I can reach 640+ (it should be doable)

btw my gear : http://fr.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2366968/

Also another question, do you think I should drop fracture ? I use it since I have no tp issues thanks to the ninja and the low skill speed I have.

[Ricdeau]

I mean its still cherrypicked parses. I got a 640 on my ninja but it was the result of like, 400 attempts or something stupid like that, obviously I wasnt counting. But yeah, those are the end result of hundreds of attempts.

Yep, what we should really do is parse using a bard as a TP battery. Just do like a 10 minute parse flat out gives time for opening burst to trickle down, and for crit to stabilize. Pretty sizable sample of attacks. I mean dummy parsing is always going to be unrealistic to actual fights anyway. Might as well get a large sample if you are doing it.

[Butcherboy]

yeah thats fine and dandy again u just posted 640 on nin. wheres the monk 640 parse in 400 tries with only xpot and food buff and nothing else. i love my mnk and ill always be one. i tried nin and its not for me, but i give credit wheres it due.

[Butcherboy]

there your go 10 min parse same ilvl gear both nin and mnk and brd in same grp, only using xpot and food(even w/out it) going at it on a lvl 50 dummy. ready fight.

[Odowla]

yeah thats fine and dandy again u just posted 640 on nin. wheres the monk 640 parse in 400 tries with only xpot and food buff and nothing else. i love my mnk and ill always be one. i tried nin and its not for me, but i give credit wheres it due.

I can get 630 on my Monk with PT/Food/Potions but I'm not equally geared so it's pointless to at the moment.

[Craiger]

There just isn't as many people making those DPS videos on MNK as there are on NIN or other jobs... But from pretty much every good player in the game, and I mean the hardcore ones that beat raids before everyone else... MNK is still ahead on DPS.

Both DRG and NIN probably brings as much or more DPS to the party with their damage boosters, but MNK gets the highest DPS on themselves, and they have the INT reduction to balance it out.

If there were as many MNKs making videos like that, you would see high parses like that on them too.

Also, while I'm no expert on either MNK or NIN in fact, could it have to do with Min/Max DPS? I mean, can NIN for some reason get a very high maximum DPS if lucky, and MNK be more stable?

EDIT: On the subject of Min/Max, you also have to factor in when in the rotation you end the parse... Same with every job. My main is BLM, and even if it has been 5 mins in a parse, I can still get spike DPS if I end the parse just as I have used buffs and pot, and maybe some luck with RNG. If I post that parse, I would be getting much more DPS than BLM should be able to.

[Odowla]

There just isn't as many people making those DPS videos on MNK as there are on NIN or other jobs... But from pretty much every good player in the game, and I mean the hardcore ones that beat raids before everyone else... MNK is still ahead on DPS.

They are not.

Ninja has the potencies of a Dragoon, with the attackspeed of a Monk. They don't have +52% damage like a monk does, but they get +20% on physical (magic at this point is basically Suitons only) and a 1.6667% DPS increase Raid wide due to Trick Attack.

Monk's Potency on a 1-2-3 damage Combo is 595 (Bootshine -> True Strike -> Snap Punch)
Ninja's 1-2-3 damage Combo is 670 Potency (Spinning Edge -> Gust Slash > Aeolian Edge). This Changes to 610 if doing Dancing Edge Combos

Ninja DoT Potency is 800 (seriously shadow fang is such a STUPID potent DoT, honestly they should've nerfed its damage instead of NIN TP)
Monk's is 560 (I suppose technically one of their dots is part of a combo, so you could account for that as well)

I know this doesnt account for Buffs but it doesnt really matter that much, you can just easily account for the damage difference (+20% for NIN, +52% for MNK). Either Way NIN has higher potencies.

I'm not the only one thinking this way - I'm in DnT and a lot of our theorycrafters are starting to see just how much Damage a good Ninja does. I think its much more "obvious", I suppose, due to the class being new and everyone's like "such wow! 650 DPS!" whereas with MNK its more of we already know how much damage a Monk does.

[SunnyHirose]

Also, while I'm no expert on either MNK or NIN in fact, could it have to do with Min/Max DPS? I mean, can NIN for some reason get a very high maximum DPS if lucky, and MNK be more stable?

MNK has more crits built in, which probably does mean it has the more right-skewed distribution. So yeah.

(in English: NIN has more to gain from lucky crits than MNK does, because the MNK already has them.)